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In reply to the discussion: The propaganda mouthpiece of the oil magnate Dictator in Qatar - Al Jazeera America [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)9. Deemed illegetimate by whom? Not by its 630 million viewers in over 100 countries or US millions
There's been a concerted, organized effort to ban any media that's not beating the war drums this week.
Reddit just banned it and its users are pissed off.
Reddit Censorship? Russia Today (RT) Cries Foul Over /R/News Ban, But Reddit Says Blame The Moderator
By Christopher Zara
on August 30 2013 5:59 PM
RT, Russias state-backed news organization, is crying foul after its website was banned from one of Reddits most popular forums.
In a blog post on Friday, RT blasted the popular vote-oriented message board, saying it had been kicked off the /r/news subreddit for alleged spamming and vote manipulation. The news outlet said it views the sanctions as an act of censorship.
Not so, says Reddit. Victoria Taylor, a spokeswoman for the website, told International Business Times in an email that subreddit moderators make their own decisions about what content is allowed on their forums. Reddit, she said, had no role in this particular decision.
It is the prerogative of each individual subreddits moderators (like /r/news) to allow or ban domains, users, posts, comments, etc as they wish, Taylor said. As we are not moderators of /r/news, we were not involved or consulted on this decision.
On Thursday, Reddit user douglasmacarthur, a head moderator for /r/news, posted that RT had been banned for spam and vote manipulation. The post has since attracted almost 1,000 comments, many critical of the decision to ban a news site from a news forum.
Censorship amuck and fair reporting is gone from reddit, one user wrote.
...
http://www.ibtimes.com/reddit-censorship-russia-today-rt-cries-foul-over-rnews-ban-reddit-says-blame-moderator-1402016
By Christopher Zara
on August 30 2013 5:59 PM
RT, Russias state-backed news organization, is crying foul after its website was banned from one of Reddits most popular forums.
In a blog post on Friday, RT blasted the popular vote-oriented message board, saying it had been kicked off the /r/news subreddit for alleged spamming and vote manipulation. The news outlet said it views the sanctions as an act of censorship.
Not so, says Reddit. Victoria Taylor, a spokeswoman for the website, told International Business Times in an email that subreddit moderators make their own decisions about what content is allowed on their forums. Reddit, she said, had no role in this particular decision.
It is the prerogative of each individual subreddits moderators (like /r/news) to allow or ban domains, users, posts, comments, etc as they wish, Taylor said. As we are not moderators of /r/news, we were not involved or consulted on this decision.
On Thursday, Reddit user douglasmacarthur, a head moderator for /r/news, posted that RT had been banned for spam and vote manipulation. The post has since attracted almost 1,000 comments, many critical of the decision to ban a news site from a news forum.
Censorship amuck and fair reporting is gone from reddit, one user wrote.
...
http://www.ibtimes.com/reddit-censorship-russia-today-rt-cries-foul-over-rnews-ban-reddit-says-blame-moderator-1402016
RT.com has been banned on Reddits /r/news section, with moderators accusing it of spamming. Puzzled with absurd allegations, RT views the sanctions as an act of censorship with many redditors expressing the same concern.
The announcement of the ban appeared on Reddit at around 12:30 GMT Thursday, with the forum's leading moderator posting: "RT.com has been banned for spam and vote manipulation." It was soon followed by another message, saying that brigading the thread, downvoting, and crying aren't going to change it, sorry.
RT immediately contacted the moderators of the /r/news section, as well as Reddit's press office, to request an explanation. But in more than 24 hours no details that could clarify what may have led to the ban have been provided to RT by Reddit.
Reddits press office instead replied that it is not consulted by subreddits about their decisions.
To clarify, it is the prerogative of each individual subreddit's moderators to allow or ban domains from being submitted to their subreddits, Victoria Taylor, of Reddits press service, said. As we are not moderators of /r/news, we were not involved or consulted on this decision. You would need to appeal to the moderators of /r/news about their decision and address their concerns individually.
RT has received no reply yet from douglasmacarthur, the moderator of Reddits /r/news section.
But later another redditor, BipolarBear0, listed as one of the moderators for the section, said in a comment on the website that there was no vote manipulation, calling it an oversight there, but an honest mistake by a moderator.
...

Responding to Michael Reed, co-founder of the Restore the Fourth movement, BipolarBear0 said he had nothing do with the decision to ban RT.com, but added he had in general been advocating that, Simply because Its the Kremlin.
...
RTs leading web analyst, Aleksey Naumov, said there were no grounds for the moderator to accuse RT.com of spamming.
Over the last two years, RTs traffic has increased four- or five-fold, Naumov said. Quite naturally, during this period the number of submissions of our materials to Reddit.com, as well as the number of referrals from Reddit to our website, has increased. Its not difficult to check that its not the same people, but different people, who are submitting our stories to Reddit.
...
http://rt.com/news/rt-reddit-ban-censorship-169/
The announcement of the ban appeared on Reddit at around 12:30 GMT Thursday, with the forum's leading moderator posting: "RT.com has been banned for spam and vote manipulation." It was soon followed by another message, saying that brigading the thread, downvoting, and crying aren't going to change it, sorry.
RT immediately contacted the moderators of the /r/news section, as well as Reddit's press office, to request an explanation. But in more than 24 hours no details that could clarify what may have led to the ban have been provided to RT by Reddit.
Reddits press office instead replied that it is not consulted by subreddits about their decisions.
To clarify, it is the prerogative of each individual subreddit's moderators to allow or ban domains from being submitted to their subreddits, Victoria Taylor, of Reddits press service, said. As we are not moderators of /r/news, we were not involved or consulted on this decision. You would need to appeal to the moderators of /r/news about their decision and address their concerns individually.
RT has received no reply yet from douglasmacarthur, the moderator of Reddits /r/news section.
But later another redditor, BipolarBear0, listed as one of the moderators for the section, said in a comment on the website that there was no vote manipulation, calling it an oversight there, but an honest mistake by a moderator.
...

Responding to Michael Reed, co-founder of the Restore the Fourth movement, BipolarBear0 said he had nothing do with the decision to ban RT.com, but added he had in general been advocating that, Simply because Its the Kremlin.
...
RTs leading web analyst, Aleksey Naumov, said there were no grounds for the moderator to accuse RT.com of spamming.
Over the last two years, RTs traffic has increased four- or five-fold, Naumov said. Quite naturally, during this period the number of submissions of our materials to Reddit.com, as well as the number of referrals from Reddit to our website, has increased. Its not difficult to check that its not the same people, but different people, who are submitting our stories to Reddit.
...
http://rt.com/news/rt-reddit-ban-censorship-169/
But the Qatari royal family that's ready to kill every last person standing in the way of their pipeline is ok.
The Cold War is up and running because the world won't buy our bogus intel for a few elites.
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The propaganda mouthpiece of the oil magnate Dictator in Qatar - Al Jazeera America [View all]
Catherina
Aug 2013
OP
We need to know the context lest we not understand the players and their motivations.
dkf
Aug 2013
#1
Fuck him, Fuck McCain and that other war hawk who was sent to represent us in the Middle East
Catherina
Aug 2013
#6
Deemed illegetimate by whom? Not by its 630 million viewers in over 100 countries or US millions
Catherina
Aug 2013
#9
So when you can't win war support based on facts, start demonizing and banning news sources
Catherina
Aug 2013
#32
I don't know, the American public seems to think that RT is a very reliable source of news.
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#15
I've only come across a few people here who object to it, most of them have never
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#47
Yes, but it's always the same small group. The truth hurts I suppose and one thing
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#77
Yes, the Corporate Media eg, was rated #54 on the Free Media scale a few years agao for the
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#97
The MSM has no credibility. If RT is the Kremlin's mouthpiece, someone better tell Howard Dean
Catherina
Aug 2013
#110
Yes, I saw that. Howard Dean acknowledged in that excellent interview, where he was
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#114
That's what I love the most about their shows. Guests can speak without interruption
Catherina
Aug 2013
#121
I think it's available on most cable and satellite lineups. We have Dish TV and it is
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#128
This is like a slightly more lucid version of Palin's word salad. Catherina has a sad
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#4
So a tiny fraction of DU gets to censor News sources on DU? That is very disturbing
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#117
What?? I sure hope not. That would truly be unacceptable. It is a fantastic, reliable
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#14
The BBC is a mouthpiece now, it used to not be, but it is now. And our Corporate
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#82
How so? Again, you appear to have no problems with RT being a mouthpiece
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#94
Hrmjsutin is happy to lock RT. When we start banning new outlets then we're just like the Repugs.
bahrbearian
Aug 2013
#44
There's been a unanimous consensus from LBN hosts that RT isn't a reputable source for LBN...
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#50
That you can't see sarcasm when you read it , and now you can Censor the News.
bahrbearian
Aug 2013
#57
No Sarcasm that you could see, Remember when the GOP invited Cobert to Roast Chimpy.
bahrbearian
Aug 2013
#65
She is not in favor of banning any respectable News Source , So I quess you can't see scarcasm.
bahrbearian
Aug 2013
#71
You don't get it, do you? If RT is not a respectable, then American Al Jazeera sure isn't.
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#89
Wait, let's sort this out here. What I'm reading here is the obection to RT is that it is
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#98
I need no hint from you. I think it is YOU who needs to understand that 'ownership
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#104
All I read in the OP was the truth, that al-Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar's "royalty".
delrem
Aug 2013
#91
That same 'argument' could have been made about Al Jazeera from the outset...
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#93
That is such a tiny fraction of the DU community. Considering your inability to answer my
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#131
Well, that is ridiculous. Are the Corporate Media threads being locked as unreliable
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#76
Really? I thought these were community decisions. What about RT news have they
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#79
Well, Rumsfeld and his fellow war criminals used to hate Al Jazeera when it really
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#10
I just looked at the AJ homepage, and I'm not seeing this dictatorial control...
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#34
Al Jazeera exhibited so much propagandistic bias over Libya that it caused a huge
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#142
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but its still better than FOX or CNN and it beats the hell ....
1-Old-Man
Aug 2013
#19
I'm curious. Why doesn't RT being a mouthpiece of the Russian government bother you?
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#58
Then you are not familiar with the media and please don't try to use 'left' issues
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#81
You're veering off course here. What I am trying to establish is what constitutes a
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#112
No, government control of editorial content is the crux of the matter for me...
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#113
LBN is not about edictorial content. You are shifting the goal posts. We are talking about
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#119
I didn't say it was. Are you just ignoring the government control thing?
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#120
You introduced yourself as a host of LBN. I asked about an issue brought up in this
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#134
I mentioned when I asked Catherina those still unanswered questions that I was a new LBN host...
Violet_Crumble
Aug 2013
#137
It's propaganda war time, hence increased censorship of anything weakening the propaganda
Catherina
Aug 2013
#59
They'll do good work on issues that don't conflict with the Emir's pocketbook or Saudi Arabia's
Catherina
Aug 2013
#69
That is false statement about DUers and you should apologize right now for making it.
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#136
I think what you have assembled here and I may be wrong, but it seemed clear to me
Jefferson23
Aug 2013
#61
Cautionary tale especially in view of that slippery slope of censoring RT in LBN
Catherina
Aug 2013
#73
I haven't seen any bias but I am independently minded enough to ignore any propaganda if it
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#63
I'm not sure who, without a financial stake in something, would have the means to fund a news org.
Liberal Veteran
Aug 2013
#95
Today's Freedom Fighter is Tomorrow's Terrorist who then becomes the Freedom Fighter who
libdem4life
Aug 2013
#107