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Violet_Crumble

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23. It's not murky...

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:24 PM

Aug 2013

RT is currently not considered to be a reputable source for LBN. It's fine in GD...

I'm surprised that people who are wanting RT as a source don't appear to be concerned at attacks on Al-Jazeera as a source.

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The propaganda mouthpiece of the oil magnate Dictator in Qatar - Al Jazeera America [View all] Catherina Aug 2013 OP

We need to know the context lest we not understand the players and their motivations. dkf Aug 2013 #1

That's my secondary point. You can't discern things with any balance Catherina Aug 2013 #5

Sad but true..a shame, really. Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #2

Fuck him, Fuck McCain and that other war hawk who was sent to represent us in the Middle East Catherina Aug 2013 #6

But those are "legitimate," while Russia Today is not. David__77 Aug 2013 #3

Deemed illegetimate by whom? Not by its 630 million viewers in over 100 countries or US millions Catherina Aug 2013 #9

You know by whom. David__77 Aug 2013 #13

So when you can't win war support based on facts, start demonizing and banning news sources Catherina Aug 2013 #32

I don't know, the American public seems to think that RT is a very reliable source of news. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #15

I like it. David__77 Aug 2013 #17

I've only come across a few people here who object to it, most of them have never sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

I've seen several complaints about it in GD and the Video forum Catherina Aug 2013 #75

Yes, but it's always the same small group. The truth hurts I suppose and one thing sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #77

Facts and reliability is how we should judge news outlets Catherina Aug 2013 #83

Yes, the Corporate Media eg, was rated #54 on the Free Media scale a few years agao for the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #97

The MSM has no credibility. If RT is the Kremlin's mouthpiece, someone better tell Howard Dean Catherina Aug 2013 #110

Yes, I saw that. Howard Dean acknowledged in that excellent interview, where he was sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #114

That's what I love the most about their shows. Guests can speak without interruption Catherina Aug 2013 #121

Maybe a silly question... haikugal Aug 2013 #126

I think it's available on most cable and satellite lineups. We have Dish TV and it is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #128

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. haikugal Aug 2013 #139

You can watch Live here Catherina Aug 2013 #130

Thanks for your reply.. haikugal Sep 2013 #140

This is like a slightly more lucid version of Palin's word salad. Catherina has a sad KittyWampus Aug 2013 #4

RT is banned on DU? Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #7

No. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #8

Yes, Skinner gave the hosts OK to ban RT bahrbearian Aug 2013 #11

"off topic" is the system generated message. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #21

I think you will find dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #46

The subject is the locking message. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #52

The locking message comes from a host as far as I'm aware. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #56

oh for pete's sake... DURHAM D Aug 2013 #60

Thats just an expression. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #66

no shit sherlock DURHAM D Aug 2013 #67

So a tiny fraction of DU gets to censor News sources on DU? That is very disturbing sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #117

I meant post #11 to be for you. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #12

saw it and read the links provided.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #18

What?? I sure hope not. That would truly be unacceptable. It is a fantastic, reliable sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #14

LBN posts are being locked that reference RT.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #16

It's not murky... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #23

And the BBC. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #25

The BBC is also a mouthpiece? Okay, that's funny n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #36

The BBC is a mouthpiece now, it used to not be, but it is now. And our Corporate sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #82

How so? Again, you appear to have no problems with RT being a mouthpiece Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #94

But your working on it ,right. Whose next? Al Jazerra. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #37

Moi? I'm not banning anything... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #39

I'm sorry I confused you with Turborama , Sorry. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #43

I don't think anyone's working on anything... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #41

Hrmjsutin is happy to lock RT. When we start banning new outlets then we're just like the Repugs. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #44

There's been a unanimous consensus from LBN hosts that RT isn't a reputable source for LBN... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #50

You should be very Proud,. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #53

Of what, exactly? n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #54

That you can't see sarcasm when you read it , and now you can Censor the News. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #57

Uh, there was no sarcasm there... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #62

No Sarcasm that you could see, Remember when the GOP invited Cobert to Roast Chimpy. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #65

You may want to point out this supposed sarcasm then... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #68

She is not in favor of banning any respectable News Source , So I quess you can't see scarcasm. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #71

she's claiming all Jazeera isn't a respectable source Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #72

You don't get it, do you? If RT is not a respectable, then American Al Jazeera sure isn't. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #89

No I don't get attempts to equate Al Jazeera with RT... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #96

Wait, let's sort this out here. What I'm reading here is the obection to RT is that it is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #98

How about you go back and read my post again... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #100

I need no hint from you. I think it is YOU who needs to understand that 'ownership sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #104

I think you do, which is why I gave it... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #105

All I read in the OP was the truth, that al-Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar's "royalty". delrem Aug 2013 #91

That same 'argument' could have been made about Al Jazeera from the outset... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #93

Good decision from the hosts. joshcryer Aug 2013 #127

That is such a tiny fraction of the DU community. Considering your inability to answer my sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #131

Well, that is ridiculous. Are the Corporate Media threads being locked as unreliable sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #76

References to it will be deleted as not "reputable mainstream." David__77 Aug 2013 #28

Who can't use RT?? I have RT on my lineup and I and assume anyone else sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20

She meant the we can't use RT as a source in LBN, bahrbearian Aug 2013 #49

Really? I thought these were community decisions. What about RT news have they sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #79

Well, Rumsfeld and his fellow war criminals used to hate Al Jazeera when it really sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #10

I just looked at the AJ homepage, and I'm not seeing this dictatorial control... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #34

Al Jazeera exhibited so much propagandistic bias over Libya that it caused a huge sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #142

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but its still better than FOX or CNN and it beats the hell .... 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #19

We'll see how good it is now that the Qatar Government has joined the Nato sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22

Yes indeed and, it's less shrill but it's changed over the years Catherina Aug 2013 #48

I've given up watching it. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #24

Same here. It's a lot more objective and balanced. Catherina Aug 2013 #51

I'm curious. Why doesn't RT being a mouthpiece of the Russian government bother you? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #58

Then you are not familiar with the media and please don't try to use 'left' issues sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #81

I am familiar with the media Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #85

So who are you promoting? Qatar's dictatorship mouth piece? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #101

Huh? I'm not promoting anyone, and AJ is NOT a mouthpiece... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #102

Neither is RT so we are finally on the same page. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #106

Yr saying that the Russian government doesn't editorially control RT? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #108

You're veering off course here. What I am trying to establish is what constitutes a sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #112

No, government control of editorial content is the crux of the matter for me... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #113

LBN is not about edictorial content. You are shifting the goal posts. We are talking about sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #119

I didn't say it was. Are you just ignoring the government control thing? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #120

I am asking FOR EVIDENCE of Government control of the NEWS content. I have sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #123

And I've been asking you questions that you still haven't answered... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #125

You introduced yourself as a host of LBN. I asked about an issue brought up in this sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #134

I mentioned when I asked Catherina those still unanswered questions that I was a new LBN host... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #137

Skinner has said the standards of this forum are decided by the community. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #141

Thank you Violet_Crumble for recognisting RTs homophobia. joshcryer Aug 2013 #129

Thanks for the link to that thread, Josh... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #135

Have a quick look at how they report on protests: joshcryer Aug 2013 #138

Hillary applauded Al Jazeera! KoKo Aug 2013 #26

Check out France 24 too. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #27

Yes. I like them very much from what I have seen. n/t Cleita Aug 2013 #30

Irish TV...and Euro News.........(plus those above) KoKo Aug 2013 #55

I've got 16 channels including China :) dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #64

Cable, Satellite or "Other?" KoKo Aug 2013 #84

Sky Satellite dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #144

Do you have links for those two? n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #80

PM Me...I'm worried my access will be corrupted! LOL's KoKo Aug 2013 #88

It's propaganda war time, hence increased censorship of anything weakening the propaganda Catherina Aug 2013 #59

They are funded by the Qatar regime, which is Cleita Aug 2013 #29

They'll do good work on issues that don't conflict with the Emir's pocketbook or Saudi Arabia's Catherina Aug 2013 #69

In Soviet Russia, you do both sides. n/t Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #31

Is that a saying? n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #70

Aw, the old USSR fan club has a sad that Putin's RT is considered geek tragedy Aug 2013 #33

USSR ? dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #35

The folks talking about how awesome Putin News is geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

Mutually exclusive dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #42

Oh, the us has done plenty wrong. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #45

That is false statement about DUers and you should apologize right now for making it. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #136

Indeed. joshcryer Sep 2013 #143

You miss the Cold War, fess up.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #40

I think what you have assembled here and I may be wrong, but it seemed clear to me Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #61

Cautionary tale especially in view of that slippery slope of censoring RT in LBN Catherina Aug 2013 #73

I thought that's where you were coming from, thanks. Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #78

I just gave you a hat tip in the thread about NSA spying on Al-Jazeera Catherina Aug 2013 #86

Thanks Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #90

I'm a new LBN host, and I've got some questions for you about RT... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #99

I haven't seen any bias but I am independently minded enough to ignore any propaganda if it liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #63

It's got some good points and some bad. Like all of them. Catherina Aug 2013 #74

Thought everyone knew it MFrohike Aug 2013 #87

I thought they did a decent job on Egypt Catherina Aug 2013 #92

I'm not sure who, without a financial stake in something, would have the means to fund a news org. Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #95

+1. They spent $1 Billion just to fund AJAM. They've got a huge stake. Catherina Aug 2013 #111

Hey, you must have missed the questions I asked you upthread... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #115

It was MSM then . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #103

Today's Freedom Fighter is Tomorrow's Terrorist who then becomes the Freedom Fighter who libdem4life Aug 2013 #107

lol, I like this post. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #109

+1 n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #124

So that's another thing my Syrian friend was right about. Raksha Aug 2013 #116

It's not just your friend and I know what you mean Catherina Aug 2013 #122

Automatic K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #118

It's unreliable only because it opposes the Obama war-cheerleading alarimer Aug 2013 #132

Why does it have CNN stamp all over it? BlueToTheBone Aug 2013 #133

Yes, we should limit ourselves to only one source of propaganda. Scuba Sep 2013 #145