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Violet_Crumble

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93. That same 'argument' could have been made about Al Jazeera from the outset...

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:01 PM

Aug 2013

Y'know, back when Bushco was outraged that Al Jazeera dared to broadcast what Bin Laden had to say. When it was pissing off the US, Israel, and various Arab states by broadcasting things that they didn't want people to see. I spent a lot of time in the I/P forum at DU2 arguing when people would claim that AJ supported terrorists because it was giving them a voice, blah blah blah.

I'm aware that the OP is some silly game to try to equate Al Jazeera with RT and complain about the recent decision by LBN hosts to lock an OP that had RT as a source. I think they would have been more accurate if they'd tried to equate Press TV with RT, as having had a look at the Al Jazeera homepage today, I'm not spotting the mouthpiece stuff, especially as much of the editorial content about Syria was strongly opposed to the US launching strikes and spoke of Western hypocrisy, something I agree with 110%

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The propaganda mouthpiece of the oil magnate Dictator in Qatar - Al Jazeera America [View all] Catherina Aug 2013 OP

We need to know the context lest we not understand the players and their motivations. dkf Aug 2013 #1

That's my secondary point. You can't discern things with any balance Catherina Aug 2013 #5

Sad but true..a shame, really. Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #2

Fuck him, Fuck McCain and that other war hawk who was sent to represent us in the Middle East Catherina Aug 2013 #6

But those are "legitimate," while Russia Today is not. David__77 Aug 2013 #3

Deemed illegetimate by whom? Not by its 630 million viewers in over 100 countries or US millions Catherina Aug 2013 #9

You know by whom. David__77 Aug 2013 #13

So when you can't win war support based on facts, start demonizing and banning news sources Catherina Aug 2013 #32

I don't know, the American public seems to think that RT is a very reliable source of news. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #15

I like it. David__77 Aug 2013 #17

I've only come across a few people here who object to it, most of them have never sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

I've seen several complaints about it in GD and the Video forum Catherina Aug 2013 #75

Yes, but it's always the same small group. The truth hurts I suppose and one thing sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #77

Facts and reliability is how we should judge news outlets Catherina Aug 2013 #83

Yes, the Corporate Media eg, was rated #54 on the Free Media scale a few years agao for the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #97

The MSM has no credibility. If RT is the Kremlin's mouthpiece, someone better tell Howard Dean Catherina Aug 2013 #110

Yes, I saw that. Howard Dean acknowledged in that excellent interview, where he was sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #114

That's what I love the most about their shows. Guests can speak without interruption Catherina Aug 2013 #121

Maybe a silly question... haikugal Aug 2013 #126

I think it's available on most cable and satellite lineups. We have Dish TV and it is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #128

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. haikugal Aug 2013 #139

You can watch Live here Catherina Aug 2013 #130

Thanks for your reply.. haikugal Sep 2013 #140

This is like a slightly more lucid version of Palin's word salad. Catherina has a sad KittyWampus Aug 2013 #4

RT is banned on DU? Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #7

No. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #8

Yes, Skinner gave the hosts OK to ban RT bahrbearian Aug 2013 #11

"off topic" is the system generated message. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #21

I think you will find dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #46

The subject is the locking message. DURHAM D Aug 2013 #52

The locking message comes from a host as far as I'm aware. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #56

oh for pete's sake... DURHAM D Aug 2013 #60

Thats just an expression. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #66

no shit sherlock DURHAM D Aug 2013 #67

So a tiny fraction of DU gets to censor News sources on DU? That is very disturbing sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #117

I meant post #11 to be for you. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #12

saw it and read the links provided.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #18

What?? I sure hope not. That would truly be unacceptable. It is a fantastic, reliable sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #14

LBN posts are being locked that reference RT.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #16

It's not murky... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #23

And the BBC. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #25

The BBC is also a mouthpiece? Okay, that's funny n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #36

The BBC is a mouthpiece now, it used to not be, but it is now. And our Corporate sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #82

How so? Again, you appear to have no problems with RT being a mouthpiece Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #94

But your working on it ,right. Whose next? Al Jazerra. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #37

Moi? I'm not banning anything... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #39

I'm sorry I confused you with Turborama , Sorry. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #43

I don't think anyone's working on anything... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #41

Hrmjsutin is happy to lock RT. When we start banning new outlets then we're just like the Repugs. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #44

There's been a unanimous consensus from LBN hosts that RT isn't a reputable source for LBN... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #50

You should be very Proud,. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #53

Of what, exactly? n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #54

That you can't see sarcasm when you read it , and now you can Censor the News. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #57

Uh, there was no sarcasm there... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #62

No Sarcasm that you could see, Remember when the GOP invited Cobert to Roast Chimpy. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #65

You may want to point out this supposed sarcasm then... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #68

She is not in favor of banning any respectable News Source , So I quess you can't see scarcasm. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #71

she's claiming all Jazeera isn't a respectable source Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #72

You don't get it, do you? If RT is not a respectable, then American Al Jazeera sure isn't. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #89

No I don't get attempts to equate Al Jazeera with RT... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #96

Wait, let's sort this out here. What I'm reading here is the obection to RT is that it is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #98

How about you go back and read my post again... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #100

I need no hint from you. I think it is YOU who needs to understand that 'ownership sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #104

I think you do, which is why I gave it... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #105

All I read in the OP was the truth, that al-Jazeera is the mouthpiece of Qatar's "royalty". delrem Aug 2013 #91

That same 'argument' could have been made about Al Jazeera from the outset... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #93

Good decision from the hosts. joshcryer Aug 2013 #127

That is such a tiny fraction of the DU community. Considering your inability to answer my sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #131

Well, that is ridiculous. Are the Corporate Media threads being locked as unreliable sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #76

References to it will be deleted as not "reputable mainstream." David__77 Aug 2013 #28

Who can't use RT?? I have RT on my lineup and I and assume anyone else sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20

She meant the we can't use RT as a source in LBN, bahrbearian Aug 2013 #49

Really? I thought these were community decisions. What about RT news have they sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #79

Well, Rumsfeld and his fellow war criminals used to hate Al Jazeera when it really sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #10

I just looked at the AJ homepage, and I'm not seeing this dictatorial control... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #34

Al Jazeera exhibited so much propagandistic bias over Libya that it caused a huge sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #142

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but its still better than FOX or CNN and it beats the hell .... 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #19

We'll see how good it is now that the Qatar Government has joined the Nato sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22

Yes indeed and, it's less shrill but it's changed over the years Catherina Aug 2013 #48

I've given up watching it. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #24

Same here. It's a lot more objective and balanced. Catherina Aug 2013 #51

I'm curious. Why doesn't RT being a mouthpiece of the Russian government bother you? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #58

Then you are not familiar with the media and please don't try to use 'left' issues sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #81

I am familiar with the media Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #85

So who are you promoting? Qatar's dictatorship mouth piece? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #101

Huh? I'm not promoting anyone, and AJ is NOT a mouthpiece... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #102

Neither is RT so we are finally on the same page. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #106

Yr saying that the Russian government doesn't editorially control RT? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #108

You're veering off course here. What I am trying to establish is what constitutes a sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #112

No, government control of editorial content is the crux of the matter for me... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #113

LBN is not about edictorial content. You are shifting the goal posts. We are talking about sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #119

I didn't say it was. Are you just ignoring the government control thing? Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #120

I am asking FOR EVIDENCE of Government control of the NEWS content. I have sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #123

And I've been asking you questions that you still haven't answered... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #125

You introduced yourself as a host of LBN. I asked about an issue brought up in this sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #134

I mentioned when I asked Catherina those still unanswered questions that I was a new LBN host... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #137

Skinner has said the standards of this forum are decided by the community. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #141

Thank you Violet_Crumble for recognisting RTs homophobia. joshcryer Aug 2013 #129

Thanks for the link to that thread, Josh... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #135

Have a quick look at how they report on protests: joshcryer Aug 2013 #138

Hillary applauded Al Jazeera! KoKo Aug 2013 #26

Check out France 24 too. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #27

Yes. I like them very much from what I have seen. n/t Cleita Aug 2013 #30

Irish TV...and Euro News.........(plus those above) KoKo Aug 2013 #55

I've got 16 channels including China :) dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #64

Cable, Satellite or "Other?" KoKo Aug 2013 #84

Sky Satellite dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #144

Do you have links for those two? n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #80

PM Me...I'm worried my access will be corrupted! LOL's KoKo Aug 2013 #88

It's propaganda war time, hence increased censorship of anything weakening the propaganda Catherina Aug 2013 #59

They are funded by the Qatar regime, which is Cleita Aug 2013 #29

They'll do good work on issues that don't conflict with the Emir's pocketbook or Saudi Arabia's Catherina Aug 2013 #69

In Soviet Russia, you do both sides. n/t Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #31

Is that a saying? n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #70

Aw, the old USSR fan club has a sad that Putin's RT is considered geek tragedy Aug 2013 #33

USSR ? dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #35

The folks talking about how awesome Putin News is geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

Mutually exclusive dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #42

Oh, the us has done plenty wrong. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #45

That is false statement about DUers and you should apologize right now for making it. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #136

Indeed. joshcryer Sep 2013 #143

You miss the Cold War, fess up.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #40

I think what you have assembled here and I may be wrong, but it seemed clear to me Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #61

Cautionary tale especially in view of that slippery slope of censoring RT in LBN Catherina Aug 2013 #73

I thought that's where you were coming from, thanks. Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #78

I just gave you a hat tip in the thread about NSA spying on Al-Jazeera Catherina Aug 2013 #86

Thanks Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #90

I'm a new LBN host, and I've got some questions for you about RT... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #99

I haven't seen any bias but I am independently minded enough to ignore any propaganda if it liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #63

It's got some good points and some bad. Like all of them. Catherina Aug 2013 #74

Thought everyone knew it MFrohike Aug 2013 #87

I thought they did a decent job on Egypt Catherina Aug 2013 #92

I'm not sure who, without a financial stake in something, would have the means to fund a news org. Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #95

+1. They spent $1 Billion just to fund AJAM. They've got a huge stake. Catherina Aug 2013 #111

Hey, you must have missed the questions I asked you upthread... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #115

It was MSM then . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #103

Today's Freedom Fighter is Tomorrow's Terrorist who then becomes the Freedom Fighter who libdem4life Aug 2013 #107

lol, I like this post. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #109

+1 n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #124

So that's another thing my Syrian friend was right about. Raksha Aug 2013 #116

It's not just your friend and I know what you mean Catherina Aug 2013 #122

Automatic K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #118

It's unreliable only because it opposes the Obama war-cheerleading alarimer Aug 2013 #132

Why does it have CNN stamp all over it? BlueToTheBone Aug 2013 #133

Yes, we should limit ourselves to only one source of propaganda. Scuba Sep 2013 #145