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HardTimes99

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11. I agree with your general point and principles but I have to take issue with your
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:13 PM
Aug 2013

use of Truman and Korea as your example. IIRC, Korea was a U.N. operation and only happened b/c the Soviet Union walked out of the Security Council meeting where the matter was under debate, thereby allowing a duly-constituted quorum of Security Council members to authorize military intervention.

Congress did not exercise its power of the purse to block U.S. involvement in Korea but public opinion turned so sharply against the situation there that Truman decided not to run for a third term (even though the amendment restricting presidents to two terms only did not apply to Truman, who could have escaped its strictures had he so chose, b/c it did not pass until he was already president).

I think the problem began with Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution that gave LBJ a seeming blank check. Interestingly, public opinion also caused LBJ to decide not to seek re-election.

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No. rug Aug 2013 #1
Yup. I was 100% sure he would seek congressional approval. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #2
A Democracy does not function based on majority rule. randome Aug 2013 #3
And yet we have 3 co-equal branches of government not just the one in the big house. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #15
Everyone has a different interpretation of what that means. randome Aug 2013 #25
Perhaps the answer to your question is dependent on your opinion of President Obama? Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #4
You have captured a deep truth here. Obama had declared a 'red line' only HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #6
No. It's the Cameron backpedal redux.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #5
What happened to Cameron had to have shocked him. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #7
I agree with your general point and principles but I have to take issue with your HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #11
I think junkdrawer nailed it. In that a lot of it had to do with the shock reversal in Great Britain quinnox Aug 2013 #8
I could see those Republican assholes preparing two possible ad campaigns for 2014: the first HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #13
yes, i really think that. spanone Aug 2013 #9
What if that was the plan all along? leftstreet Aug 2013 #10
Sorry, somehow missed your reply on my first pass through the responses. If I heard HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #22
I think I know what you're trying to say, and I like it. reformist2 Aug 2013 #24
We owe the Brits a big thank-you and 3 jolly good cheers. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #12
Feel better that you got that off your chest now warrior1 Aug 2013 #14
WTF? Why don't we all just shut up, bow down before our monarch (and you) and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #16
The people of the US and the UK let them know they have lost our trust and the lack of Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #17
Our countries but the poor Iraqis and Afghans too. So much human tragedy and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #18
Nope. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #19
Don't care what his motivation was. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #20
To the extent any credit is deserved when one is morningfog Aug 2013 #21
The rip-tides and cross-currents can at times be bewildering. Does Obama get credit for HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #23
We already know your answer: Obama gets no credit for anything ever alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #26
I don't think I've done or said anything to justify such snarking from you. My HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #27
Sounds to me like Obama didn't want to be the one hung out to dry when Syria went pear-shaped. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #28
As the polls came in and looked nasty, he responded. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #29
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