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In reply to the discussion: I'm going to be honest here about what I see in Syria. [View all]KansDem
(28,498 posts)52. "...some around here don't care about their safety."
Don't care about their safety?
Pentagon Study Links Fatalities to Body Armor
A secret Pentagon study has found that as many as 80 percent of the marines who have been killed in Iraq from wounds to the upper body could have survived if they had had extra body armor. Such armor has been available since 2003, but until recently the Pentagon has largely declined to supply it to troops despite calls from the field for additional protection, according to military officials.
The ceramic plates in vests now worn by the majority of troops in Iraq cover only some of the chest and back. In at least 74 of the 93 fatal wounds that were analyzed in the Pentagon study of marines from March 2003 through June 2005, bullets and shrapnel struck the marines' shoulders, sides or areas of the torso where the plates do not reach.
Thirty-one of the deadly wounds struck the chest or back so close to the plates that simply enlarging the existing shields "would have had the potential to alter the fatal outcome," according to the study, which was obtained by The New York Times.
For the first time, the study by the military's medical examiner shows the cost in lives from inadequate armor, even as the Pentagon continues to publicly defend its protection of the troops.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/politics/07armor.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
A secret Pentagon study has found that as many as 80 percent of the marines who have been killed in Iraq from wounds to the upper body could have survived if they had had extra body armor. Such armor has been available since 2003, but until recently the Pentagon has largely declined to supply it to troops despite calls from the field for additional protection, according to military officials.
The ceramic plates in vests now worn by the majority of troops in Iraq cover only some of the chest and back. In at least 74 of the 93 fatal wounds that were analyzed in the Pentagon study of marines from March 2003 through June 2005, bullets and shrapnel struck the marines' shoulders, sides or areas of the torso where the plates do not reach.
Thirty-one of the deadly wounds struck the chest or back so close to the plates that simply enlarging the existing shields "would have had the potential to alter the fatal outcome," according to the study, which was obtained by The New York Times.
For the first time, the study by the military's medical examiner shows the cost in lives from inadequate armor, even as the Pentagon continues to publicly defend its protection of the troops.
--more--
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/politics/07armor.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I would hazard to guess that not a single DUer would advocate sending improperly-equipped US soldiers into combat. But the fucking Bushistas didn't mind. And they did it under the banner of "patriotism."
It's insane that the fucking cowards who lied us into war didn't want to provide our troops with the proper armor...
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I'm less worried about our troops, who willingly carry out acts of terror...
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2013
#1
"Our troops do commit acts of terror, and they end up going to JAIL for it." In what dream world?
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2013
#5
Concerned for the troops? Enough to join them? You should call 1-888-550-ARMY (2769).
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#58
It is either profoundly brilliant for people to be war cheerleaders without having any skin in the
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#63
So you started with a false premise? And you admit it? What a surprise.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#65
War is a nasty place. If you don't want to assume the risk, don't go...
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2013
#31
Human decency would dictate that you not blow up a village with a drone...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#44
Why haven't you signed up? Have you even driven a relative down to a recruiter's office?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#66
It's some on DU. The post should have been hidden. Not because the person is stating a claim,
bluestate10
Aug 2013
#19
That is an outright lie. But why am I not surprised to see this far right wing meme
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#39
You accused DUers of Troop Hate. You know perfectly well that is what I am talking about.
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#42
Show me where I've EVER gloated about someone suffering a traumatic injury.
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#45
It's not a matter of a few rogue soldiers. It is the entire military machine...
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2013
#32
This is the kind of base nationalist flag waving response I've come to expect...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#43
Sure, that would absolutely be true. The fortunate exception here is that I was 13...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#55
And people who join the military are just signing on to serve their country, you and me
The Straight Story
Sep 2013
#56
"I was just doing what I was told" is not an ethically sound argument...
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#57
"but the men and women fighting for us as a group is the most ethical fighting force on earth"
ocpagu
Sep 2013
#49
If you are injured knowingly fighting an illegal war, that is your fault, not mine...
Gravitycollapse
Aug 2013
#34
Your assumption that the military is mostly minorities. Proven false MANY times.
Dreamer Tatum
Sep 2013
#77
Yeah, just a bunch of honest working individuals waging illegal war, right?
Gravitycollapse
Sep 2013
#51
I trust the President, but I must admit that he sometimes put his foot into his mouth before
bluestate10
Aug 2013
#20
Unless there is a clear military/strategic ojective, then we need to stay out...
JCMach1
Aug 2013
#15