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BlueStreak

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148. Even Bush sought Congressional approval

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:21 AM

Sep 2013

OK, he lied like crazy in order to get the vote passed, but at least he put Congress on record.

My prediction is that there are enough GOP Hawks in the Senate and Obama will twist enough Dem arms to get rather easy Senate passage. The House will not pass this -- at least not at first. The Teabaggers will tie it to the debt ceiling and Obamacare repeal. The GOP loves its arms merchants, so something will pass. I bet Obama has to give up chained CPI or some other false linkage to get this.

Here's a concept. How about we temporarily increase the taxes on defense contractors to pay for this bombing operation? I wonder how much they'd like it then.

If this drags on beyond the next two weekends, there will be another Miley Cyrus incident or something else that will sent this whole Syria thing to the back pages.

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One of the smartest moves our President has ever made! [View all] another_liberal Aug 2013 OP

I'm so glad he's made this decision......finally. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #104

True shenmue Aug 2013 #2

Yes . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #4

president kardonb Aug 2013 #103

I am proud of him. And he NEEDS us to keep up the pressure to not enter another mistaken war. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #3

Agreed. another_liberal Aug 2013 #6

I am convinced now there will be war. The war will likely be short and meet the requirements the bluestate10 Sep 2013 #165

Ditto! Just Saying Aug 2013 #5

That is . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #9

I can already hear Boehner and Cantor TexasTowelie Aug 2013 #52

They don't know whether to PDittie Aug 2013 #102

i would add one point. usaf-vet Sep 2013 #144

I agree too lindalou65 Aug 2013 #108

God Help Us yellowwoodII Sep 2013 #133

I have a different analysis frazzled Aug 2013 #7

Well said. I agree... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #11

+1 nt. andym Aug 2013 #13

+2 PsychoBunny Aug 2013 #15

Welcome to DU, PsychoBunny! calimary Aug 2013 #120

We need to see the evidence . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #18

it also allows intelligence to be further vetted & highlights difference between the USA & Russia KittyWampus Aug 2013 #19

Excellent, and ProSense Aug 2013 #27

so right! bluemarkers Aug 2013 #57

+1,000 alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #68

Excellent post. You ought to re-post it as an OP. Surya Gayatri Aug 2013 #78

Assumes that attribution of blame is correct. Igel Aug 2013 #94

But what if you'd used the Baudelaire translation frazzled Aug 2013 #107

Great post! hueymahl Aug 2013 #105

I don't think the President would want to lose a battle to the House over something like madinmaryland Aug 2013 #8

Yes. It is up to us to communicate our opinions to our MineralMan Aug 2013 #10

I will. another_liberal Aug 2013 #20

Excellent! I'm working on my emails, too. MineralMan Aug 2013 #22

Is the Democratic Senate going to vote yes? MNBrewer Aug 2013 #12

Some Democrats will vote yes. MineralMan Aug 2013 #23

Sigh of relief, that is for sure Taverner Aug 2013 #14

+1 Squinch Aug 2013 #41

What do you mean an out "should he choose to use it?" morningfog Aug 2013 #16

Good point. another_liberal Aug 2013 #26

Mind reader are you? There are aspects of this situation DevonRex Aug 2013 #62

Everybody knows this LynnTTT Aug 2013 #109

But if the international community DevonRex Aug 2013 #116

Not sure what you meant with mind reader comment. morningfog Aug 2013 #117

I do like great political moves, JimDandy Aug 2013 #17

I agree. This was a very good decision. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #21

Re. McConnell,s remark. Obama has asked support from Congress many times and hasn,t lumpy Aug 2013 #87

I approve of this approach he is taking Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #24

Paintbrush Polly Hennessey Aug 2013 #25

I am against it but Obama did the right thing! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #28

Yes. My thoughts exactly, except I had a feeling it was a bluff all along. ucrdem Aug 2013 #29

Not only that...but he screwed the Republicans. They vote no...they face the wrath of AIPAC. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #30

Behind the scenes he probably already has the votes. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #31

If he has the votes, thats fine. MzShellG Aug 2013 #40

It's how Washington works. They never leave it to a vote unless they know the outcome in advance. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #50

Perhaps you're right, and then again, maybe not..... MzShellG Aug 2013 #61

He may NOT have the votes which, as others propose, gives him an "out". Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #63

There's no telling what the outcome will be... MzShellG Aug 2013 #69

Since 91% of America is against it, if this passes We The People will know exactly where we stand Doctor_J Aug 2013 #82

People assumed a rubber stamp in Parliament too. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #85

Already figured they don't give a fuck what the people think after they said no to gun control. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #125

Yep. Not even control - freakin' background checks Doctor_J Sep 2013 #140

And some rightwing fucknut like Rand Paul will be able to say he voted against the war like a badge Erose999 Sep 2013 #166

Wow! That's good. For now. tblue Aug 2013 #32

I'm just glad Congress will not pass such a measure. Fearless Aug 2013 #33

I'm not so sure... jimlup Aug 2013 #123

Wait.. We are going to rely on Congress to do the right thing? quakerboy Sep 2013 #127

Even a broken clock... n/t Fearless Sep 2013 #128

agree. k and r NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #34

Those look delicious!!! mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2013 #146

Relief! yellowwoodII Aug 2013 #35

Well, Republicans I know are bitching and moaning... a la izquierda Aug 2013 #36

I couldn't agree more. 99Forever Aug 2013 #37

Unless we are somehow directly attacked . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #42

The President losing a vote in the House? SCVDem Aug 2013 #38

It was . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #44

I totally agree. This was brilliant! BlueMTexpat Aug 2013 #39

So is that a no to attacking Syria? whttevrr Aug 2013 #43

Watch closely how this plays out. another_liberal Aug 2013 #47

I'm just hoping that congress is getting an earful at home right now. whttevrr Aug 2013 #49

Interesting description. Laelth Aug 2013 #77

When have we seen the like of it? another_liberal Aug 2013 #83

Obama and Syria mehrrh Aug 2013 #45

It was pure genius. another_liberal Aug 2013 #48

uh, maybe and maybe not . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #110

+! What a difference a couple days make! Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #152

Could Not Agree More DallasNE Aug 2013 #46

The President has always been wary of intervention. iandhr Aug 2013 #51

And I think if they start imposing regime change conditions that will sour the deal as well sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #99

One of the smartest moves? He had to cover his ass, that's all. scarletwoman Aug 2013 #53

agree completely - had his bluff called and this was the way out of a mess - at least he took it DrDan Aug 2013 #101

A slightly different analysis MFrohike Aug 2013 #54

Not an out...a show of unity DearAbby Aug 2013 #55

And if they call his bluff eissa Aug 2013 #56

Authorization for an attack is not a directive to make an attack. LuvLoogie Aug 2013 #98

Thank you eissa Carolina Sep 2013 #134

Kinda hard for me to sit here when someone has a video of 400 dead children PatrynXX Aug 2013 #58

Are you also going to bomb the Congo? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #93

are there good targets? Schema Thing Aug 2013 #113

Don't know PatrynXX Sep 2013 #170

K&R. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #59

I would be curious to know how the party of "NO!" will vote on this one.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #60

I predict that it will be a close vote in both chambers. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #67

wow! For AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #70

I saw a comment . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #118

K&R! felix_numinous Aug 2013 #64

I disagree. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #65

So what. One defeat does not a disaster make. I really hope the Congress votes against Obama. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #84

Some fault lies with the UN fadedrose Aug 2013 #66

Great! So he's a master at poltical gamesmanship . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #71

if he is a master, then why has his presidency been one long string of Doctor_J Aug 2013 #74

I wasn't actually making that claim . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #88

Yeah, half the Greatest page is vanity threads cheering his speech Doctor_J Aug 2013 #92

Obama's Republican policies ?Oh that's why the country is in such a mess. lumpy Aug 2013 #95

Thank you Carolina Sep 2013 #135

OBama = republican = right wing bullshit uponit7771 Sep 2013 #159

really? can you point me to a right wing site that says he's a Doctor_J Sep 2013 #161

Yes, plenty of winger mems that claim Obama is just like Bush uponit7771 Sep 2013 #162

I'm afraid . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #121

BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT MindMover Aug 2013 #72

Ugh. Yeah!! He did what he is supposed to do MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #73

Even Bush sought Congressional approval BlueStreak Sep 2013 #148

Thank you, Mr. President! I agree and approve. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #75

I agree gopiscrap Aug 2013 #76

That's what it's all about, right? Covering Obama's ass. Ocelot Aug 2013 #79

As if he won't be blamed when it turns into another quagmire Doctor_J Aug 2013 #80

The BOG is now using dirty tricks to silence dissent Ocelot Aug 2013 #90

Complain to Skinner in Ask the Administrators if you feel the Group rules are unfair. nt Hekate Sep 2013 #153

Startling ! How could you ever admit to having a crush on Dick Cheney. Gag...or was that lumpy Aug 2013 #97

Haha honest question, so I'm forced to give an honest answer: Ocelot Aug 2013 #100

You had a "crush on" Dick (The Dick) Cheney? another_liberal Aug 2013 #111

Mice hardly survive long in house when it's occupied by a full herd of ally cats nolabels Sep 2013 #154

Herd of alley cats? another_liberal Sep 2013 #155

I was trying to use a metaphorical analogy nolabels Sep 2013 #168

Now I do see your point . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #169

My gut tells me that if he had attacked w/o the approval of Congress, Booster Aug 2013 #81

This is as it was meant to be - let Congress weigh in on acts of war. Chemisse Aug 2013 #86

Oh, and a round of popcorn for everyone! Chemisse Aug 2013 #89

Heh... Oakenshield Aug 2013 #91

One thing is certain blue14u Aug 2013 #96

Good post welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #167

You REALLY 'dont know how the house will vote"? pasto76 Aug 2013 #106

You think . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #112

I believe you are also under oath to defend the Constitution MNBrewer Aug 2013 #122

up Bigredhunk Aug 2013 #114

I know which way my Representative is voting. She is with Barbara Lee. Billy Love Aug 2013 #115

I don't think this is a game for him ecstatic Aug 2013 #119

Congressional Repbulicans . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #130

what did they say? ecstatic Sep 2013 #149

They're all over the map. another_liberal Sep 2013 #151

I have to agree Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #124

It was a sudden change. another_liberal Sep 2013 #145

praise for obama in DU! Thank u Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #126

Sorry if I offend anyone by saying this... ocpagu Sep 2013 #129

It certainly surprised me. another_liberal Sep 2013 #131

I understand your point and I actually agree that's a good thing to have more time before an attack. ocpagu Sep 2013 #132

I also think our attacks will do more harm than good. another_liberal Sep 2013 #137

Thank you, ocpagu Carolina Sep 2013 #136

Yep, and US Congress also has the responsibility for declaring war cpwm17 Sep 2013 #141

Smart is not shooting off your pop gun cuz tommy told you too. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #138

By "tommy" you really mean . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #139

The only people who had no faith LukeFL Sep 2013 #142

Presidnt Obama also managed to destroy the Republicans' best talking point for 2014. another_liberal Sep 2013 #143

I remember. he said he would support labor. he said healthcare reform Doctor_J Sep 2013 #156

Give him a Congress that isn't a collective ineffectual POS. -nt CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #157

The congress made him offer ss cuts? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #158

So you're implying congress had NOTHING to do with the offer!? REALLY?! uponit7771 Sep 2013 #160

K & R Hulk Sep 2013 #147

Hear! Hear! another_liberal Sep 2013 #164

One for the Constitution. riqster Sep 2013 #150

I don't approve of it, but there will be war now unless one event happens. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #163