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Andy823

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204. Yes it does

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:22 AM

Sep 2013

Maybe they get get that taken care of one of these days. What would ODS fall under, mental health issues?

I do find it amazing that those with ODS continue to jump from one thing to another as far a issues go, but they are so consistent in blaming the president for everything they think is wrong!

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This odd belief system that the republicans are responsible for the ACA clusterfuck. [View all] Safetykitten Aug 2013 OP

no one forced UPS to be dicks to their employees. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #1

BINGO!!! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #2

So when did you get the just in time memo that insurance companies greedy? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #6

Exactly. HappyMe Aug 2013 #7

I would like to think that someone like you would not have insurance to see Safetykitten Aug 2013 #10

So look for alot more "dick" companies...maybe yours will be next. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #13

What stopped them from doing it before the ACA? NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #18

YUP ... companies have been cutting back medical benefits for JoePhilly Aug 2013 #27

Why don't all you people so cool with this tell the UPS workers affected? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #28

Why are you parroting UPS's lies that this was due to Obamacare? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #47

No UPS workers are affected jberryhill Aug 2013 #59

Bingo! CANDO Sep 2013 #183

this could jack us bad elehhhhna Sep 2013 #190

You're spending so much effort blaming the wrong entity. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #80

Amazing isn't it? JTFrog Sep 2013 #200

UPS is not one of the best examples. The company has been brutal to employees bluestate10 Sep 2013 #187

once it'ss biz suffers? when? CONgress is trying nto kill the USPS eveery day. elehhhhna Sep 2013 #192

Yup. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #21

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #81

that is true hfojvt Aug 2013 #114

If they drop spouses, wouldn't the employees get more in their take home pay... WCGreen Aug 2013 #141

Well, you know that nobody could've predicted this. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #142

I agree. Whether ACA passed or not, employers were going to continue to be dicks to their employees Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #143

You're overlooking the fact (or not) that ACA was not the only option, it was just the only Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #152

Very good post. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #163

TYVM and likewise, especially your last line. It's like they don't know or care Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #164

Thank you for your eloquent support for this OP. truedelphi Aug 2013 #179

The ACA was the ONLY POSSIBLE option at this time in the nation's history. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #188

NO IT WASN'T (My caps lock works, too). You can keep saying that Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #211

Nailed it... SidDithers Aug 2013 #145

Yes it does Andy823 Sep 2013 #204

What I find amusing enlightenment Sep 2013 #206

+1 n/t IL Lib Aug 2013 #177

But plenty of people predicted it. LWolf Sep 2013 #184

What "we?" nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #3

I start my training next month Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #4

Yes, they're all running scared right now Warpy Aug 2013 #5

Kinda wordy to get to the "single payer" bullshit. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #8

With profits-margins forever capped at 20%. tridim Aug 2013 #52

20% is a lot of money that could go to health care. Wilms Aug 2013 #77

only one way to increase profits - spend more on health care alc Aug 2013 #115

No, they will negotiate prices with medical care providers. Biz 101. nt tridim Aug 2013 #136

Capped at 20% after costs. And that's 20% of every man, woman, and child in America... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #133

So you want the cap removed? Check. tridim Aug 2013 #137

If that silliness is all you got from my post then you didn't read it. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #138

That they are locked at where they were reporting and that the lock, if it does anything TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #182

You know they sued to get agent's commissions to be part of the "cost of care" elehhhhna Sep 2013 #212

Yup, which is why I identified discerning what is and isn't a medical expense TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #216

Yep. BUT - cynical thought coming - elehhhhna Sep 2013 #217

Yeah, remember how Social Security and Medicare never changed? jeff47 Aug 2013 #72

I've been on the hiring and financials side, it's a lot more complex than you may think IronLionZion Aug 2013 #156

They all closed their urgent care centers here Warpy Aug 2013 #157

may be a regional issue IronLionZion Aug 2013 #161

The nursing schools need to pay nursing educators better Warpy Aug 2013 #162

I live in Massachusetts. I have had a bird's eye view of what health care reform does. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #191

Surprise surprise, an Obamasux person parroting corporate propaganda from UPS. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #9

Point out the non-truth. What is it? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #11

You're seeking to deflect blame from the Republicans and geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15

This type of fantasy thinking will not end well for us as a party. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #22

I don't consider people who spout GOP propaganda on Obamacare to be 'us' nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #41

:) thanks Sheepshank Aug 2013 #159

I agree 1000%. nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #193

This is nothing new. Companies have ALWAYS been free to choose pnwmom Aug 2013 #32

Many of Obama's policies DO suck leftstreet Aug 2013 #24

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #36

Ah, a moment of clarity and sanity. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #43

That ProSense Aug 2013 #50

you are clearly an idiot if you don't understand the necessity of that. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #121

Why do you get away with calling DUers names? leftstreet Aug 2013 #125

Mine was an "if-then" statement. Not actually calling you a name. Also, Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #135

I need to fck someone up high in the DU ranks elehhhhna Sep 2013 #213

If a person shows a quality, that person should be called what is apparent to an bluestate10 Sep 2013 #194

You can't have guaranteed issue and community rating without a mandate. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #124

Then mandate home ownership leftstreet Aug 2013 #126

So, we should go back to pre-existing condition exclusions? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #127

The Cost of Premiums is the new Pre-existing Condition leftstreet Aug 2013 #128

Obamacare has slowed down the rate of insurance cost increases. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #134

My premiums are dropping. BCBS. tridim Aug 2013 #165

Gosh, and you also got a mortgage rebate! leftstreet Aug 2013 #166

I did, both the result of actual action by the Obama Administration. tridim Aug 2013 #167

Home ownership DOES have mandates. Do you want to chose another example? bluestate10 Sep 2013 #195

LOL leftstreet Sep 2013 #208

Any ol ignorant thing to take a crap on Pres Obama works for them. nm Cha Aug 2013 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #12

Here, this is for you ProSense Aug 2013 #14

No I am NOT defending them. I dislike LYING. OUR LYING. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #16

No, you are defending them by lying on their behalf. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #20

What responsibilty do they have? tell me. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26

As elected officials, they have the solemn duty to make sure the law of the land geek tragedy Aug 2013 #34

Your kidding right? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #46

You disagree that elected officials have a duty to make sure that the law is implemented geek tragedy Aug 2013 #49

Maybe you have not checked, but we are talking about republicans, unless the ones in... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #65

Duties of office do not change depending on one's party affiliation. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #101

You really can't get the "bad republican" thing, Did you grow up in Pleasantville? Like the movie? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #108

You're saying we can't blame Republicans for behaving badly. that's nonsense of the highest order geek tragedy Aug 2013 #112

No blame, why would people think they would help in the first place? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #116

Because it's their damn job and they should be held accountable by voters geek tragedy Aug 2013 #118

We did blame Republicans and we kicked them out. Then we discovered that the uneasiness sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #215

You apparently believe UPS' lying. ProSense Aug 2013 #25

"Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare." and you wonder why people think you are... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #33

"Powerful unions like National Nurses United and other progressive organizations are going... ProSense Aug 2013 #56

True, and your point? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #71

joeseph cao a republican did vote for it SwampG8r Aug 2013 #86

But you're repeating Rethug lying. Why? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #17

Yes, UPS is playing with people's lives, for fun and profit. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #19

Wow the whole ACA propaganda team is here now. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #23

ACA is the LAW.. (no "propaganda" necessary) the GOP has propaganda well-covered SoCalDem Aug 2013 #35

So are the people seeking to advance the GOP's talking points on the ACA nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

Lol jberryhill Aug 2013 #61

The insurance companies are still prevented from dropping my neice. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #55

Their voters seeing the light is what republicans are worried shitless about. Once republican bluestate10 Sep 2013 #197

There will be more. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #40

Nothing stopped companies from dropping health coverage JoePhilly Aug 2013 #63

Go get on the phone. Now. Try to get insurance... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #85

And the same would be true regardless ... well, actually, not exactly the same ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #92

Selling our future to insurance companies...great legacy. By the way, when you have an insurance... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #98

The Netherlands and Switzerland use a similar insurance based system. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #106

Wrong again. Health Care Exchanges increase the number of insurance companies making bluestate10 Sep 2013 #201

I know what happened in Massachusetts. You are dead wrong. The insured DON'T have bluestate10 Sep 2013 #199

I am wondering when the maximum stress of what number of companies that WILL do this... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #29

Actually, you have that backwards jeff47 Aug 2013 #84

Right. My state is a prime example. Lower health care costs are beneficial to companies large bluestate10 Sep 2013 #202

Quite the effort to dump on Democrats today. great white snark Aug 2013 #30

The Republicans are TOTALLY responsible pnwmom Aug 2013 #31

Poster above just, big ACA person, just proved you wrong. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #39

Why are you continuing to lie by saying the Republicans have no responsibility geek tragedy Aug 2013 #42

Gee, what a surprise! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #57

Proved me wrong about what? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #45

This person is endorsing Republican sabotage efforts and claiming geek tragedy Aug 2013 #51

See above. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #60

Republicans did not pass ACA Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #44

I am against a plan started in SECRET. Then go from there. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #48

Every thought begins inside someone's head jberryhill Aug 2013 #62

No secrets here... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #64

Nothing in the ACA is a secret jberryhill Aug 2013 #66

Not now. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #70

Neither is the US Constitution jberryhill Aug 2013 #75

You must be hilarious on the NSA threads. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #87

The Constitution was drafted in secret jberryhill Aug 2013 #89

Huh? Are you responding to what I wrote or someone else? pnwmom Aug 2013 #53

They will be able to join the growing list of Americans who can use the Market place... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #37

Health Care Exchanges work to lower costs for the insured. I would like to see regional bluestate10 Sep 2013 #203

you sense is wrong... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #214

Thank goodness in transparency of thread recommendations. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #54

No I work out of Reston. NSA. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #58

"We told you things like the UPS crap would happen" -> Was happening before there ever was an ACA. phleshdef Aug 2013 #67

Let me help you with your post title. "Life sucks and gets suckier" Safetykitten Aug 2013 #69

Well since you lack an actual rebuttal that has any merit, I suppose... phleshdef Aug 2013 #76

I hope you find employment as the Futurist at our headquarters. You are shining! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #79

WTF are you even talking about? phleshdef Aug 2013 #90

"Employers find ways to get out of covering people all the time"...so...whatever...uh.... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #93

Is that statement not true, with or without the ACA? phleshdef Aug 2013 #97

Really? EC Aug 2013 #68

"Someday my Prince will come"....Look here he is, wearing an ACA suit astride a Donkey! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #73

the "ups crap" is something companies have always done, long before obamacare. unblock Aug 2013 #74

You see, before the ACA companies good. maybe a bit corrupt, but GOOD. Now offered door to screw Safetykitten Aug 2013 #78

Could you at least read the posts before spewing a response? jeff47 Aug 2013 #104

BECAUSE THE ACA ASSUMED THEY WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING Safetykitten Aug 2013 #119

again: ups used a NON-ACA way to save money and blamed aca. unblock Aug 2013 #131

If that were true, there would be no exchanges. jeff47 Aug 2013 #149

I thought the objective was to get everyone off employer provided insurance an on to exchanges FarCenter Aug 2013 #82

This, for me, is the only reason I like the ACA tazkcmo Aug 2013 #155

The ACA is a Republican Program Hydra Aug 2013 #83

It may of started as that as Romneycare, but now, we have perfected it, it's all us. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #88

The fact that it was the Republican response to Clinton's efforts jeff47 Aug 2013 #96

We are going to get a nightmare. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #99

Yeah, just like Canada got a nightmare. jeff47 Aug 2013 #102

And isn't Vermont already going for single-payer? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #207

Somehow the Republicans got Obama to put his name on their legislation, I suppose. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #91

Bucketloads n/t Hydra Aug 2013 #94

Yes, they did somehow. They all came over in a pickup and made him do it. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #95

You suppose? DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #100

Romneycare? Gingrich Plan? Nixon? Hydra Aug 2013 #103

"A lot of the ideas... DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #109

Thanks, I keep forgetting to cover that base :p Hydra Aug 2013 #110

the only problem with the ACA is that it doesnt go far enough fast enough bowens43 Aug 2013 #105

No, throw 10 of millions to the insurance companies. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #107

The most progrssive thing you sohould hope for Skidmore Aug 2013 #111

So this was the plan? The "progressive" plan? Where people prgressively die? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #113

For pity sake, must you always be so Skidmore Aug 2013 #117

Most people prefer their HC futures to be secure...odd... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #120

How is it secure when a change of employer can mean that you lose coverage? Skidmore Aug 2013 #122

My youngest kids are secure until they are 26 jberryhill Aug 2013 #129

Dude, you should read the law. It's obvious you haven't. nt tridim Aug 2013 #139

You know who else didn't read the law. . . . Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #151

Republicans are trying to screw the ACA at ever turn uponit7771 Aug 2013 #130

You don't think the republicans added amendments to hurt ACA? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #132

K&R Calculated, selective ignorance is their primary tool here. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #140

More on the "the ACA clusterfuck": ProSense Aug 2013 #144

Single payer now! n/t Fearless Aug 2013 #146

The ACA was modified in hope of getting GOP support. alfredo Aug 2013 #147

No it won't these families will just pay more because they can be covered at work TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #169

We knew that his bipartisaneffort effort would fail, but I don't blame him for trying. alfredo Aug 2013 #172

Very optimistic and heavily assumes a simplistic situation in regards to the gravity of power TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #173

I always saw the ACA as a first step. For any meaningful change we need a motivated alfredo Aug 2013 #175

Fear our wrath in what way? The electorate is captured by the parties, if one doesn't serve TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #180

We need to go "France" on them. The use of national strikes alfredo Sep 2013 #186

The Remarkable Slowdown In Health Care Costs Since The Passage Of Obamacare babylonsister Aug 2013 #148

So what's your plan? Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #150

You and your friends seem to think you've found a "new" belief system. DevonRex Aug 2013 #153

Well, the ACA is a Republican idea after all. pa28 Aug 2013 #154

you call it an odd belief sysem? I think it's willfull ignorance of the OP Sheepshank Aug 2013 #158

Social Security wasn't perfect either in 1935 steve2470 Aug 2013 #160

Did Social Security start out as a profit-making scheme? leftstreet Aug 2013 #168

Yes. It made IBM a fortune and kept the banks afloat (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #181

No, it's not odd at all. Because it's actually true. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #170

This is victim-blaming. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #171

What UPS crap? Nobody is losing health insurance over it. bhikkhu Aug 2013 #174

Thanks for posting. It's nice to hear from someone who's actually informed himself. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #178

What a odd thing... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #185

If we had been just better Democrats, our employers wouldn't have to treat us so badly. SalviaBlue Sep 2013 #210

Oh and just a snippit, a little itsy-bitsy tiny part or what you will need to know. Have fun! Safetykitten Sep 2013 #189

Or this... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #196

And this.... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #198

And the big point is that we are to blame for this. Us as Democrats allowed this to happen... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #205

Hate to break it to you snookums...REPUBLICANS HAD TO BE ON BOARD rustydog Sep 2013 #209