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Safetykitten

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205. And the big point is that we are to blame for this. Us as Democrats allowed this to happen...

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:31 AM

Sep 2013

A psychotic nightmare of IRS guidelines, insurance company fuckery, new cottage industries of healthcare "guidance" advisors, a never ending advancement of even more complexity and hoop jumping, and then there will be the big "consolidation, and no, there will not be Medicare for all. Do you think for one moment that the pig trough that the insurance companies will and have been feeding at will be taken away? We will have this for the rest of our lives.

The majority of comments on this thread are made by people who have insurance. Or Obama purists that will not tolerate this being rightly dumped on him. Go take your comments to a local emergency room and tout them there. I am sure the intake person would LOVE to here how you see everything being just hunky-dory.

Maybe you can talk to one of the part-timers there.

Oh and you think the surprises before 2014 are over? Think again.

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This odd belief system that the republicans are responsible for the ACA clusterfuck. [View all] Safetykitten Aug 2013 OP

no one forced UPS to be dicks to their employees. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #1

BINGO!!! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #2

So when did you get the just in time memo that insurance companies greedy? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #6

Exactly. HappyMe Aug 2013 #7

I would like to think that someone like you would not have insurance to see Safetykitten Aug 2013 #10

So look for alot more "dick" companies...maybe yours will be next. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #13

What stopped them from doing it before the ACA? NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #18

YUP ... companies have been cutting back medical benefits for JoePhilly Aug 2013 #27

Why don't all you people so cool with this tell the UPS workers affected? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #28

Why are you parroting UPS's lies that this was due to Obamacare? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #47

No UPS workers are affected jberryhill Aug 2013 #59

Bingo! CANDO Sep 2013 #183

this could jack us bad elehhhhna Sep 2013 #190

You're spending so much effort blaming the wrong entity. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #80

Amazing isn't it? JTFrog Sep 2013 #200

UPS is not one of the best examples. The company has been brutal to employees bluestate10 Sep 2013 #187

once it'ss biz suffers? when? CONgress is trying nto kill the USPS eveery day. elehhhhna Sep 2013 #192

Yup. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #21

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #81

that is true hfojvt Aug 2013 #114

If they drop spouses, wouldn't the employees get more in their take home pay... WCGreen Aug 2013 #141

Well, you know that nobody could've predicted this. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #142

I agree. Whether ACA passed or not, employers were going to continue to be dicks to their employees Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #143

You're overlooking the fact (or not) that ACA was not the only option, it was just the only Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #152

Very good post. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #163

TYVM and likewise, especially your last line. It's like they don't know or care Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #164

Thank you for your eloquent support for this OP. truedelphi Aug 2013 #179

The ACA was the ONLY POSSIBLE option at this time in the nation's history. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #188

NO IT WASN'T (My caps lock works, too). You can keep saying that Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #211

Nailed it... SidDithers Aug 2013 #145

Yes it does Andy823 Sep 2013 #204

What I find amusing enlightenment Sep 2013 #206

+1 n/t IL Lib Aug 2013 #177

But plenty of people predicted it. LWolf Sep 2013 #184

What "we?" nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #3

I start my training next month Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #4

Yes, they're all running scared right now Warpy Aug 2013 #5

Kinda wordy to get to the "single payer" bullshit. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #8

With profits-margins forever capped at 20%. tridim Aug 2013 #52

20% is a lot of money that could go to health care. Wilms Aug 2013 #77

only one way to increase profits - spend more on health care alc Aug 2013 #115

No, they will negotiate prices with medical care providers. Biz 101. nt tridim Aug 2013 #136

Capped at 20% after costs. And that's 20% of every man, woman, and child in America... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #133

So you want the cap removed? Check. tridim Aug 2013 #137

If that silliness is all you got from my post then you didn't read it. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #138

That they are locked at where they were reporting and that the lock, if it does anything TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #182

You know they sued to get agent's commissions to be part of the "cost of care" elehhhhna Sep 2013 #212

Yup, which is why I identified discerning what is and isn't a medical expense TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #216

Yep. BUT - cynical thought coming - elehhhhna Sep 2013 #217

Yeah, remember how Social Security and Medicare never changed? jeff47 Aug 2013 #72

I've been on the hiring and financials side, it's a lot more complex than you may think IronLionZion Aug 2013 #156

They all closed their urgent care centers here Warpy Aug 2013 #157

may be a regional issue IronLionZion Aug 2013 #161

The nursing schools need to pay nursing educators better Warpy Aug 2013 #162

I live in Massachusetts. I have had a bird's eye view of what health care reform does. bluestate10 Sep 2013 #191

Surprise surprise, an Obamasux person parroting corporate propaganda from UPS. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #9

Point out the non-truth. What is it? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #11

You're seeking to deflect blame from the Republicans and geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15

This type of fantasy thinking will not end well for us as a party. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #22

I don't consider people who spout GOP propaganda on Obamacare to be 'us' nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #41

:) thanks Sheepshank Aug 2013 #159

I agree 1000%. nt bluestate10 Sep 2013 #193

This is nothing new. Companies have ALWAYS been free to choose pnwmom Aug 2013 #32

Many of Obama's policies DO suck leftstreet Aug 2013 #24

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #36

Ah, a moment of clarity and sanity. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #43

That ProSense Aug 2013 #50

you are clearly an idiot if you don't understand the necessity of that. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #121

Why do you get away with calling DUers names? leftstreet Aug 2013 #125

Mine was an "if-then" statement. Not actually calling you a name. Also, Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #135

I need to fck someone up high in the DU ranks elehhhhna Sep 2013 #213

If a person shows a quality, that person should be called what is apparent to an bluestate10 Sep 2013 #194

You can't have guaranteed issue and community rating without a mandate. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #124

Then mandate home ownership leftstreet Aug 2013 #126

So, we should go back to pre-existing condition exclusions? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #127

The Cost of Premiums is the new Pre-existing Condition leftstreet Aug 2013 #128

Obamacare has slowed down the rate of insurance cost increases. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #134

My premiums are dropping. BCBS. tridim Aug 2013 #165

Gosh, and you also got a mortgage rebate! leftstreet Aug 2013 #166

I did, both the result of actual action by the Obama Administration. tridim Aug 2013 #167

Home ownership DOES have mandates. Do you want to chose another example? bluestate10 Sep 2013 #195

LOL leftstreet Sep 2013 #208

Any ol ignorant thing to take a crap on Pres Obama works for them. nm Cha Aug 2013 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #12

Here, this is for you ProSense Aug 2013 #14

No I am NOT defending them. I dislike LYING. OUR LYING. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #16

No, you are defending them by lying on their behalf. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #20

What responsibilty do they have? tell me. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26

As elected officials, they have the solemn duty to make sure the law of the land geek tragedy Aug 2013 #34

Your kidding right? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #46

You disagree that elected officials have a duty to make sure that the law is implemented geek tragedy Aug 2013 #49

Maybe you have not checked, but we are talking about republicans, unless the ones in... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #65

Duties of office do not change depending on one's party affiliation. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #101

You really can't get the "bad republican" thing, Did you grow up in Pleasantville? Like the movie? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #108

You're saying we can't blame Republicans for behaving badly. that's nonsense of the highest order geek tragedy Aug 2013 #112

No blame, why would people think they would help in the first place? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #116

Because it's their damn job and they should be held accountable by voters geek tragedy Aug 2013 #118

We did blame Republicans and we kicked them out. Then we discovered that the uneasiness sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #215

You apparently believe UPS' lying. ProSense Aug 2013 #25

"Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare." and you wonder why people think you are... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #33

"Powerful unions like National Nurses United and other progressive organizations are going... ProSense Aug 2013 #56

True, and your point? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #71

joeseph cao a republican did vote for it SwampG8r Aug 2013 #86

But you're repeating Rethug lying. Why? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #17

Yes, UPS is playing with people's lives, for fun and profit. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #19

Wow the whole ACA propaganda team is here now. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #23

ACA is the LAW.. (no "propaganda" necessary) the GOP has propaganda well-covered SoCalDem Aug 2013 #35

So are the people seeking to advance the GOP's talking points on the ACA nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

Lol jberryhill Aug 2013 #61

The insurance companies are still prevented from dropping my neice. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #55

Their voters seeing the light is what republicans are worried shitless about. Once republican bluestate10 Sep 2013 #197

There will be more. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #40

Nothing stopped companies from dropping health coverage JoePhilly Aug 2013 #63

Go get on the phone. Now. Try to get insurance... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #85

And the same would be true regardless ... well, actually, not exactly the same ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #92

Selling our future to insurance companies...great legacy. By the way, when you have an insurance... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #98

The Netherlands and Switzerland use a similar insurance based system. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #106

Wrong again. Health Care Exchanges increase the number of insurance companies making bluestate10 Sep 2013 #201

I know what happened in Massachusetts. You are dead wrong. The insured DON'T have bluestate10 Sep 2013 #199

I am wondering when the maximum stress of what number of companies that WILL do this... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #29

Actually, you have that backwards jeff47 Aug 2013 #84

Right. My state is a prime example. Lower health care costs are beneficial to companies large bluestate10 Sep 2013 #202

Quite the effort to dump on Democrats today. great white snark Aug 2013 #30

The Republicans are TOTALLY responsible pnwmom Aug 2013 #31

Poster above just, big ACA person, just proved you wrong. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #39

Why are you continuing to lie by saying the Republicans have no responsibility geek tragedy Aug 2013 #42

Gee, what a surprise! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #57

Proved me wrong about what? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #45

This person is endorsing Republican sabotage efforts and claiming geek tragedy Aug 2013 #51

See above. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #60

Republicans did not pass ACA Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #44

I am against a plan started in SECRET. Then go from there. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #48

Every thought begins inside someone's head jberryhill Aug 2013 #62

No secrets here... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #64

Nothing in the ACA is a secret jberryhill Aug 2013 #66

Not now. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #70

Neither is the US Constitution jberryhill Aug 2013 #75

You must be hilarious on the NSA threads. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #87

The Constitution was drafted in secret jberryhill Aug 2013 #89

Huh? Are you responding to what I wrote or someone else? pnwmom Aug 2013 #53

They will be able to join the growing list of Americans who can use the Market place... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #37

Health Care Exchanges work to lower costs for the insured. I would like to see regional bluestate10 Sep 2013 #203

you sense is wrong... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #214

Thank goodness in transparency of thread recommendations. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #54

No I work out of Reston. NSA. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #58

"We told you things like the UPS crap would happen" -> Was happening before there ever was an ACA. phleshdef Aug 2013 #67

Let me help you with your post title. "Life sucks and gets suckier" Safetykitten Aug 2013 #69

Well since you lack an actual rebuttal that has any merit, I suppose... phleshdef Aug 2013 #76

I hope you find employment as the Futurist at our headquarters. You are shining! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #79

WTF are you even talking about? phleshdef Aug 2013 #90

"Employers find ways to get out of covering people all the time"...so...whatever...uh.... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #93

Is that statement not true, with or without the ACA? phleshdef Aug 2013 #97

Really? EC Aug 2013 #68

"Someday my Prince will come"....Look here he is, wearing an ACA suit astride a Donkey! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #73

the "ups crap" is something companies have always done, long before obamacare. unblock Aug 2013 #74

You see, before the ACA companies good. maybe a bit corrupt, but GOOD. Now offered door to screw Safetykitten Aug 2013 #78

Could you at least read the posts before spewing a response? jeff47 Aug 2013 #104

BECAUSE THE ACA ASSUMED THEY WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING Safetykitten Aug 2013 #119

again: ups used a NON-ACA way to save money and blamed aca. unblock Aug 2013 #131

If that were true, there would be no exchanges. jeff47 Aug 2013 #149

I thought the objective was to get everyone off employer provided insurance an on to exchanges FarCenter Aug 2013 #82

This, for me, is the only reason I like the ACA tazkcmo Aug 2013 #155

The ACA is a Republican Program Hydra Aug 2013 #83

It may of started as that as Romneycare, but now, we have perfected it, it's all us. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #88

The fact that it was the Republican response to Clinton's efforts jeff47 Aug 2013 #96

We are going to get a nightmare. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #99

Yeah, just like Canada got a nightmare. jeff47 Aug 2013 #102

And isn't Vermont already going for single-payer? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #207

Somehow the Republicans got Obama to put his name on their legislation, I suppose. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #91

Bucketloads n/t Hydra Aug 2013 #94

Yes, they did somehow. They all came over in a pickup and made him do it. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #95

You suppose? DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #100

Romneycare? Gingrich Plan? Nixon? Hydra Aug 2013 #103

"A lot of the ideas... DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #109

Thanks, I keep forgetting to cover that base :p Hydra Aug 2013 #110

the only problem with the ACA is that it doesnt go far enough fast enough bowens43 Aug 2013 #105

No, throw 10 of millions to the insurance companies. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #107

The most progrssive thing you sohould hope for Skidmore Aug 2013 #111

So this was the plan? The "progressive" plan? Where people prgressively die? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #113

For pity sake, must you always be so Skidmore Aug 2013 #117

Most people prefer their HC futures to be secure...odd... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #120

How is it secure when a change of employer can mean that you lose coverage? Skidmore Aug 2013 #122

My youngest kids are secure until they are 26 jberryhill Aug 2013 #129

Dude, you should read the law. It's obvious you haven't. nt tridim Aug 2013 #139

You know who else didn't read the law. . . . Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #151

Republicans are trying to screw the ACA at ever turn uponit7771 Aug 2013 #130

You don't think the republicans added amendments to hurt ACA? liberal N proud Aug 2013 #132

K&R Calculated, selective ignorance is their primary tool here. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #140

More on the "the ACA clusterfuck": ProSense Aug 2013 #144

Single payer now! n/t Fearless Aug 2013 #146

The ACA was modified in hope of getting GOP support. alfredo Aug 2013 #147

No it won't these families will just pay more because they can be covered at work TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #169

We knew that his bipartisaneffort effort would fail, but I don't blame him for trying. alfredo Aug 2013 #172

Very optimistic and heavily assumes a simplistic situation in regards to the gravity of power TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #173

I always saw the ACA as a first step. For any meaningful change we need a motivated alfredo Aug 2013 #175

Fear our wrath in what way? The electorate is captured by the parties, if one doesn't serve TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #180

We need to go "France" on them. The use of national strikes alfredo Sep 2013 #186

The Remarkable Slowdown In Health Care Costs Since The Passage Of Obamacare babylonsister Aug 2013 #148

So what's your plan? Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #150

You and your friends seem to think you've found a "new" belief system. DevonRex Aug 2013 #153

Well, the ACA is a Republican idea after all. pa28 Aug 2013 #154

you call it an odd belief sysem? I think it's willfull ignorance of the OP Sheepshank Aug 2013 #158

Social Security wasn't perfect either in 1935 steve2470 Aug 2013 #160

Did Social Security start out as a profit-making scheme? leftstreet Aug 2013 #168

Yes. It made IBM a fortune and kept the banks afloat (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #181

No, it's not odd at all. Because it's actually true. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #170

This is victim-blaming. 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2013 #171

What UPS crap? Nobody is losing health insurance over it. bhikkhu Aug 2013 #174

Thanks for posting. It's nice to hear from someone who's actually informed himself. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #178

What a odd thing... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #185

If we had been just better Democrats, our employers wouldn't have to treat us so badly. SalviaBlue Sep 2013 #210

Oh and just a snippit, a little itsy-bitsy tiny part or what you will need to know. Have fun! Safetykitten Sep 2013 #189

Or this... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #196

And this.... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #198

And the big point is that we are to blame for this. Us as Democrats allowed this to happen... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #205

Hate to break it to you snookums...REPUBLICANS HAD TO BE ON BOARD rustydog Sep 2013 #209