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Showing Original Post only (View all)Doctors Without Borders confirmed: "mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent" [View all]
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On August 24, MSF announced that three hospitals it supplies in Syrias Damascus governorate had reportedly received 3,600 patients displaying neurotoxic symptoms, of which 355 died. Although our information indicates mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent, MSF clearly stated that scientific confirmation of the toxic agent was required, and therefore called for an independent investigation to shed light on what would constitute, if confirmed, a massive and unacceptable violation of international humanitarian law.
MSF also stated that in its role as an independent medical humanitarian organization, it was not in a position to determine responsibility for the event. Now that an investigation is underway by United Nations inspectors, MSF rejects that our statement be used as a substitute for the investigation or as a justification for military action. MSF's sole purpose is to save lives, alleviate the suffering of populations torn by Syrian conflict, and bear witness when confronted with a critical event, in strict compliance with the principles of neutrality and impartiality.
The latest massive influx of patients displaying neurotoxic symptoms in Damascus governorate comes on top of an already catastrophic humanitarian situation facing the Syrian people, one characterized by extreme violence, displacement, the destruction of medical facilities, and severely limited or blocked humanitarian action.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=7033&cat=press-release
On August 24, MSF announced that three hospitals it supplies in Syrias Damascus governorate had reportedly received 3,600 patients displaying neurotoxic symptoms, of which 355 died. Although our information indicates mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent, MSF clearly stated that scientific confirmation of the toxic agent was required, and therefore called for an independent investigation to shed light on what would constitute, if confirmed, a massive and unacceptable violation of international humanitarian law.
MSF also stated that in its role as an independent medical humanitarian organization, it was not in a position to determine responsibility for the event. Now that an investigation is underway by United Nations inspectors, MSF rejects that our statement be used as a substitute for the investigation or as a justification for military action. MSF's sole purpose is to save lives, alleviate the suffering of populations torn by Syrian conflict, and bear witness when confronted with a critical event, in strict compliance with the principles of neutrality and impartiality.
The latest massive influx of patients displaying neurotoxic symptoms in Damascus governorate comes on top of an already catastrophic humanitarian situation facing the Syrian people, one characterized by extreme violence, displacement, the destruction of medical facilities, and severely limited or blocked humanitarian action.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=7033&cat=press-release
The comparisons between Syria and Iraq are absurd. Iraq had no WMD. There was a chemical attack in Syria.
The question is not if there was an attack, but the type of substance used.
The U.S. government is gathering and presenting its evidence, including information on the source of the attacks. The DWB statement mentions the UN investigation.
Syria: Ban briefed by UN disarmament chief on latest developments - UN spokesperson
31 August 2013 Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today met with the top United Nations disarmament official, just back from Damascus, on the chemical weapons investigation and the latest developments in Syria. The meeting comes as the UN inspection team arrived in the Netherlands earlier today to carry out a rapid analysis of samples gathered.
UN Spokesperson Martin Nesirky told reporters in New York that Mr. Ban met with UN High Representative for Disarmament Affairs Angela Kane for over an hour.
Ms. Kane briefed the Secretary-General on her trip and on the current status of the investigation, Mr. Nesirky said, adding that that she thanked the Syrian Government and opposition for their cooperation during this mission. Ms. Kane had been in Damascus, at Mr. Ban's request, meeting with the Syrian Government to facilitate access for the team of inspectors, who arrived on 18 August.
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The inspection team, led by Swedish scientist Dr. Åke Sellström, is now in The Hague, the headquarters of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapon (OPCW), which is assisting the probe, along with the UN World Health Organization (WHO).
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http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45744&Cr=Syria&Cr1=
31 August 2013 Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today met with the top United Nations disarmament official, just back from Damascus, on the chemical weapons investigation and the latest developments in Syria. The meeting comes as the UN inspection team arrived in the Netherlands earlier today to carry out a rapid analysis of samples gathered.
UN Spokesperson Martin Nesirky told reporters in New York that Mr. Ban met with UN High Representative for Disarmament Affairs Angela Kane for over an hour.
Ms. Kane briefed the Secretary-General on her trip and on the current status of the investigation, Mr. Nesirky said, adding that that she thanked the Syrian Government and opposition for their cooperation during this mission. Ms. Kane had been in Damascus, at Mr. Ban's request, meeting with the Syrian Government to facilitate access for the team of inspectors, who arrived on 18 August.
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The inspection team, led by Swedish scientist Dr. Åke Sellström, is now in The Hague, the headquarters of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapon (OPCW), which is assisting the probe, along with the UN World Health Organization (WHO).
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http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45744&Cr=Syria&Cr1=
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Doctors Without Borders confirmed: "mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent" [View all]
ProSense
Sep 2013
OP
No one has been claiming that the DWB could certify the "precise origin of the exposure
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#4
No. They didn't want people to think that they were asserting more than they were.
pnwmom
Sep 2013
#21
The "primary purpose" doesn't take away from the fact that they confirmed the situation. n/t
ProSense
Sep 2013
#26
That part supposidly that the MSF issued a press release to criticize Obama and Kerry....Where did
lumpy
Sep 2013
#66
He is saying that government justifications for war have been shown to be incorrect
daleo
Sep 2013
#24
"The MSF has reason to suspect that agents other than the assad regime may have caused the
lumpy
Sep 2013
#63
You are deflecting. You made a claim about the UN, and then dismissed the UN statement. n/t
ProSense
Sep 2013
#96
No, that was at the time of the statement, which was only days after the incident
ProSense
Sep 2013
#12
Pooh-poohing nerve gas' effectiveness. God, this place is classy today. (nt)
Posteritatis
Sep 2013
#35
There can be no more serious discussion, even on the internet, than talking about killing people.
rug
Sep 2013
#48
MSF and UN members are not permitted to draw political conclusions as to who is responsible
lumpy
Sep 2013
#71
You misread it. It is: if it turns out the attack came from one of the opposition forces.
rug
Sep 2013
#72
Oh thanks, you didn't make that clear. I haven't made up my mind as yet, if you really care.
lumpy
Sep 2013
#75
They've moved on from "Do we even know there was a chemical attack" and "So what if there was?"
alcibiades_mystery
Sep 2013
#50
No they didn't. They are prevented to draw conclusions as to who perpetuated the gas attack.
lumpy
Sep 2013
#81
scientific confirmation of the toxic agent was required - meaning it's not confirmed by MSF
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#53
MSF does not confirm anything. MSF clearly stated they had second hand info. MSF also
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#77
You used a misleading OP title to add weight to your statement. MSF does not confirm what you insist
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#82
The only nonsense before your latest response was the title of your original OP.
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#99
I am gone. This is too much. Clearly there is lack of reading comprehension, a lot of ignorance,
lumpy
Sep 2013
#85
I like the fact that Doctors Without Borders want an independent investigation
David Krout
Sep 2013
#91
Do you remember the memes that Iraq had chemical WMD because we sold them to Saddam...
freshwest
Sep 2013
#98