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customerserviceguy

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16. Here's refutation of your points
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:23 AM
Sep 2013

1) True, he never said that. I infer it because he's the only world leader who wants to go ballistic on Syria right now, other than some sort of "moral" reasoning, what has he offered for this? He surely hasn't tied it to any sort of national interest.

2) That "budget wudget" that you pooh-pooh is fundamental to the economic workings of this country. I sense a recovery starting, but if the government shuts down, it will be smothered in its crib. Those are Americans we're talking about, and this President owes them a chance at making things work. No matter what we do or don't do in Syria, those people are fucked, and we really cannot (and will not) fundamentally change that fact.

3) Yes, Gramps McCain and Goober Graham cannot agree with Rand Paul, but they're wild-ass exceptions. All of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, know America is war-weary, and we saw what happened the last time we got involved in Libya. However, the Repukes have two reasons to oppose this, and the other is that they want to make Obama look bad. Other than crazy-ass McLame and chicken-hawk Graham, most know that this is an easy vote to say no. I wish our side saw it that way.

4) The League of Nations was a total failure, at least the UN managed to preside over the time when WWIII could have started, but didn't. Nobody today gives a crap what they said ninety years ago.

5) You're the one who's scrambled, when have Republicons ever cared about innocents, even in this country? Why do you think they would care about them in the Arab world, of all places? Besides, nothing we do with this "punishment" action is going to make a ding-dong damn's worth of difference. Assad can simply use conventional weapons to annihilate his opposition, it just takes more time. He really doesn't need to do this again, not until his back is completely against the wall. And if that happens, nothing we say or do would stop him when he is truly desperate.

I'm sorry, but the people he fucked over were fucked one way or the other. Unless we plan to replace him and his regime, at great cost in money and lives, we're not going to change that with a few days of cruise missiles.

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That is what the League of Nations said ..... MindMover Sep 2013 #1
It's my understanding that the President intends to proceed whatever Congress votes. Llewlladdwr Sep 2013 #2
But Obama has already changed course once. He might end up agreeing with a Congress that votes no. reformist2 Sep 2013 #3
Where do you get your understanding from ... link please .... MindMover Sep 2013 #5
Here. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #40
"Has the right" ... not; is going to proceed with or without approval MindMover Sep 2013 #43
Wrong. He has the authority, but never said he would act on it. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #20
I Obama did great with this also gopiscrap Sep 2013 #4
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #6
He just passed the ball and caught it at the same time .... MindMover Sep 2013 #7
No I understand his "Evidence" is sketchy at best FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #10
Oh yea, the one about the Saudi prince giving sarin to the rebels to disperse amongst there own ... MindMover Sep 2013 #13
Boot Wax is known to impair judgement ya know FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #14
Draw down on that dube a little less, and come back down, your judgment ... MindMover Sep 2013 #15
he's sniffing glue.. not smoking dope. dionysus Sep 2013 #36
In football, you can't catch your own pass Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #30
LOL .... well this one did ... MindMover Sep 2013 #32
Seriously? That's your response? OffWithTheirHeads Sep 2013 #9
Just how do those boots taste - ya thats my response FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #11
Agreed LittleBlue Sep 2013 #21
OK, ... MindMover Sep 2013 #23
I don't think there are too many "ifs", the options are LittleBlue Sep 2013 #27
There are many potential outcomes in Syria ... MindMover Sep 2013 #31
Uh, escalating the war is worse than doing nothing. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #41
You have prefaced my statement with "escalating the war" ... MindMover Sep 2013 #49
You think Syrian military sites HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #51
Over 100,000 people have been killed in Syria over the last 2 yrs ...... MindMover Sep 2013 #53
so you're praising mentally deranged assad, & the white supremacist bigot led russia as hopemountain Sep 2013 #29
I disagree customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #8
For starters I disagree ... with your op MindMover Sep 2013 #12
Here's refutation of your points customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #16
Ok, and thank you for fleshing out your op and not hurling insults ... MindMover Sep 2013 #19
Point by point customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #54
Thanks again ... Regards MindMover Sep 2013 #55
Saving innocents....the Republicans are well known for doing that.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #18
They will go down in history, literally speaking .... for not saving innocents ... MindMover Sep 2013 #25
He dealt himself that hand. Iggo Sep 2013 #17
Congress whined and whined about being consulted, so there it is. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #22
Exactly, and when they decide to do nothing, they are responsible...... MindMover Sep 2013 #33
Does he really need to campaign for a war, though? ocpagu Sep 2013 #24
That is an opinion from an oppositional rag ... the NY times is in financial trouble and seeks ... MindMover Sep 2013 #35
You do know you're on DU dennis4868 Sep 2013 #26
Obama said he would go ahead with the strike regardless of how congress votes. Get ready for another Erose999 Sep 2013 #28
Link please to your assertion ... MindMover Sep 2013 #34
"We don't contemplate that the Congress is going to vote no," Kerry said, but he stressed the Erose999 Sep 2013 #38
"I'm confident in the case our government has made without waiting for U.N. inspectors. Erose999 Sep 2013 #39
I know you have privy to all the President said and can reach into his mind ... MindMover Sep 2013 #45
Its not rocket science, just look at the language he used. He said he would "consult" with congress. Erose999 Sep 2013 #46
Please read up on executive privilege .... MindMover Sep 2013 #50
. dionysus Sep 2013 #37
That's only if he abides by their decision Scootaloo Sep 2013 #42
Yes, they'll spin it as a brilliant political move... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #48
You laid it out pretty well, except for the ongoing slaughter of innocents ... MindMover Sep 2013 #56
Must you really embarass Ghandi with your blood thirst? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #57
Your assumptions are incorrect .... MindMover Sep 2013 #58
No it is not on all of them Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #44
He is a master statesman! deaniac21 Sep 2013 #47
Politicaly, I think it could be a great move for him Bradical79 Sep 2013 #52
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