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hack89

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60. That exact issue is what Heller was about.

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:39 PM

Sep 2013

so the answer is no, you cannot pass a law that requires guns be kept unloaded, apart, and locked in separate places. It is a damn good idea but you cannot mandate it.

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Sarasota Mother Shot Her Daughter, 1, Then Turned Gun on Herself [View all] Robb Sep 2013 OP

Yes, that. Precisely that. PDJane Sep 2013 #1

More guns would not have saved this poor baby's life......or her mom's. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2013 #2

Having a gun in the house makes suicide 5 times more likely. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #27

Exactly. easttexaslefty Sep 2013 #36

In addition... Orrex Sep 2013 #44

yep Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #48

Yes. Maybe she was abused and could see no other options. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #76

RIP LittleBlue Sep 2013 #3

Sad, but had she drowned her daughter instead Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #4

omg. bunnies Sep 2013 #5

It happens more often than it should Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #22

No, the method available ABSOLUTELY matters. A gun makes suicide 5 times more likely. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #32

this is truth Ed Suspicious Sep 2013 #37

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. easttexaslefty Sep 2013 #40

I appreciate your post and comments. Thank you. The truth matters. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #55

It is never about the person or the act, those things do not matter The Straight Story Sep 2013 #6

Guns are "the few"? bunnies Sep 2013 #9

What I mean is simply The Straight Story Sep 2013 #10

Ah. Now I get it. bunnies Sep 2013 #11

No problem, having a pancake on the head causes confusion The Straight Story Sep 2013 #13

Its all that foil I use to keep it warm. bunnies Sep 2013 #58

Yes, it's like Russian Roulette which all of us are being forced to play. Loudly Sep 2013 #20

You aren't being forced to do anything. beevul Sep 2013 #109

Don't mock gun control jurisdictions. Loudly Sep 2013 #111

Bullshit. beevul Sep 2013 #115

And a sense of martyrdom too it appears... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #102

One estimate says 114 million handguns in the US, so 1% is just over a million to worry about... Thor_MN Sep 2013 #35

With over 44,000 posts you know it's all about the agenda, not the real issues rl6214 Sep 2013 #51

I don't like it either Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #59

Bathtub control? Robb Sep 2013 #7

More children die by drowning than by gunshot. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #14

Robb's agenda is to take away guns. LAGC Sep 2013 #17

Apparently, your agenda is to infest this country with more guns. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #19

Robb has an agenda? pintobean Sep 2013 #46

I don't know if that's the answer to everything Nevernose Sep 2013 #50

Please provide evidence for that statement Mariana Sep 2013 #38

NPR did a story on that a few years ago Nevernose Sep 2013 #45

You know the agenda is to take away the evil guns, not child safety rl6214 Sep 2013 #52

...AND if a parent lets their child DROWN in a TUB? alphafemale Sep 2013 #57

well, we could have better drains and such. And who NEEDS tubs, we have showers The Straight Story Sep 2013 #16

I see you have attracted the folks who want to continue infesting this country with more guns. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #18

Only to those that want to eliminate gun ownership... beevul Sep 2013 #110

OMG - Great way to miss the point! alittlelark Sep 2013 #12

Fail. Bathtub drownings: 72. Gunshot victims: 2,793 Hekate Sep 2013 #15

Ahh yes, could you get more dishonest than using one number that is only kids under 5 and... Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #23

Fail. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #24

Most kids who drown ARE under 5; taking the age up to 19 won't change the statistics all that much. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #26

Limit the gunshot deaths to under 5, since that age ramge of child in OP. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #29

That would skew the comparison, since most kids who are shot are over 5. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #34

So you want to skew it favorable to your agenda. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #41

You're projecting. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #49

416 kids aged 0-14 were killed by guns in the U.S. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #66

How many kids 14 to 17 are killed by guns each year? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #72

Problem is, I don't consider them "kids" above age 16 Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #78

for 2010... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #79

The death rate for gun suicides in 2010 increased 3.4% from 2009. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #84

re: "Not sure why you..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #90

I was asking why you were talking about accidental GUN deaths... SunSeeker Sep 2013 #97

The member to whom I replied said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #103

You've got quite a "problem," especially if you try dating one of those 17 year old "adults." SunSeeker Sep 2013 #81

I'll keep that in mind if I decide to date a 17 yo Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #89

The vast majority of gun deaths are suicides. "Safe storage" will not prevent that. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #98

Actually, I was agreeing with you til that last part... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #100

Are you suggesting people will just jump off buildings if they don't have guns? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #104

There WILL be no taxes on guns for that. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #108

I support education and universal background checks hack89 Sep 2013 #101

So you support PSAs that say you are far more likely to be killed by your own gun than saved by it? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #105

It doesn't bother me hack89 Sep 2013 #106

Cool. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #107

None. Those aren't "kids." Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #85

You do realize how creepy it is to say a 14 year old is not a "kid," right? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #99

Bra-fucking-Vo! (Now I understand better why you take such umbrage HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #47

Apples to apples discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #71

I agree with you. The woman may have been in deep depression. She would have used bluestate10 Sep 2013 #70

Yet another incident of gun ownership working avebury Sep 2013 #8

how about if i feel horrible for the father that walked into that home.... nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #21

I bet he bought that gun to "protect" his family, believing the gun mfrs' propaganda. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #25

i guess me feeling bad for the father is not good enough.... i will stick with that. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #31

Maybe he bought it to terrorize the wife. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #77

welcome back, summer vacation is over snooper2 Sep 2013 #73

ha ha. lol. so true. and seabeyond Sep 2013 #74

He heard the shots fired. I bet the police in any other state B Calm Sep 2013 #28

If only the baby was armed too. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #30

And only the anti gun nuts say something like this rl6214 Sep 2013 #53

Does that make you sad? Do you haz a sad? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #61

Does this make you more juvenile? rl6214 Sep 2013 #62

"Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA," RetroLounge Sep 2013 #63

74% of posts in GD rl6214 Sep 2013 #64

Forum vs Group RetroLounge Sep 2013 #83

Number of posts rl6214 Sep 2013 #96

Reading problems? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #116

What's your favorite group, RL? pintobean Sep 2013 #65

You might have a point RetroLounge Sep 2013 #82

Could we compromise on requiring guns to be kept unloaded, apart, and locked in separate places? raging moderate Sep 2013 #33

I think gun owners could exercise some common-sense policing of their own ranks. raging moderate Sep 2013 #42

That exact issue is what Heller was about. hack89 Sep 2013 #60

Actually, better home storage of guns should be promoted... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #93

The NRA and right have lost their minds..... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #39

WOW! "Penises and Clitorises appear bigger!" A first Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #94

As another gun salesman earns his horns . . . NBachers Sep 2013 #43

This is local news, Mods. Yet it is here. 2 other groups handle this. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #54

Yeah, but this is the anti-choice view, which is approved of so it will stay The Straight Story Sep 2013 #56

And despite what someone named "Skinner" says? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #67

Skinner seemed pretty clear The Straight Story Sep 2013 #68

This OP raises a question in my mind about depression that some women experience after bluestate10 Sep 2013 #69

Note: Here in Florida, they made it ILLEGAL for a doctor to ask if there were any guns in the house Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #75

You think a doctor pintobean Sep 2013 #80

A doctor ought to discuss it with the one year old's parents. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #86

The doctor could always still discuss it with the parent or patient. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #92

When there's a gun actually in the house, it's all the more real of a situation. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #113

I don't think guns should be different, but... aikoaiko Sep 2013 #114

Wrong. the law was written because a doctor denied ongoing service to a parent who aikoaiko Sep 2013 #87

From the article: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #88

An unattributed assertion from anti-gun Bloomberg press. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #91

Nothing in that legislation keeps a doc from handing out Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #95

Got any more comments on the liberal media, Mr. Limbaugh? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #112