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zeemike

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28. I never thought I would see the day that so many Americans

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:58 PM

Sep 2013

would fall for the false dichotomy of with us or against us...
Ether you are for war or you support Assad gassing his people...
And now the democrats are using it against us.

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In One Chart, Here's Why The Anti-War Movement Collapsed [View all] n2doc Sep 2013 OP

I said this very thing just the other day in a thread here on DU. TM99 Sep 2013 #1

The green party is a threat to mainstream/corporate Dems n2doc Sep 2013 #3

Agree, that may be true for now. Autumn Sep 2013 #7

10+ nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #16

Never thought I would see the day that so many Americans would defend Assad's gassing Cryptoad Sep 2013 #21

I never thought I would see the day that so many Americans zeemike Sep 2013 #28

Yea we know,,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #36

Yep Hitler is always a good straw man. zeemike Sep 2013 #46

You are the one pretending Cryptoad Sep 2013 #66

I am not pretending anything zeemike Sep 2013 #71

Strawman fail. blackspade Sep 2013 #29

and you are not calling Cryptoad Sep 2013 #38

Why would I be calling for retribution? blackspade Sep 2013 #99

What would the bombing accomplish? ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #33

I haven't said anything about Bombings Cryptoad Sep 2013 #39

OK. What kind of retribution did you have in mind? nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #40

as long as he is not breathing when it is over with,,,,,is ok with me! nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #44

Try to grasp this: sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #34

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #42

I'm not defending sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #52

That is to say you are defending him Cryptoad Sep 2013 #64

Some great black and white thinking there. Life isn't so simply divided into good and evil. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #94

Well,,,,, apparently is IS,,,, bvar22 Sep 2013 #96

The Green Party wishes it was a threat quaker bill Sep 2013 #90

The reason is clear, Democrats expect their Party to end wars, so no protests are necessary 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #2

It seems like we vote that way n2doc Sep 2013 #4

You dam sure got that right. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #8

When was it ever claimed that Obama would "end wars"? NYC Liberal Sep 2013 #72

You warmongers are so tiresome n/t n2doc Sep 2013 #74

There's much less to protest thanks to Dems. gulliver Sep 2013 #5

Sadly, no. Maedhros Sep 2013 #23

Dems, MoveOn, etc, traded activism for access. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #45

Correct. polichick Sep 2013 #60

Really? What "access" do MoveOn et al. have? Hekate Sep 2013 #61

Here you go: bvar22 Sep 2013 #97

In my opinion, they've just given up. Maedhros Sep 2013 #73

Are the ones who abandoned their principles smirking and wearing cowboy boots? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #6

You can't have social justice without economic justice. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #9

And, frankly, I would argue the opposite. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #24

Disagree... we need both...but without economic justice there's no chance for KoKo Sep 2013 #50

yup I've noticed that also but I also know personally that I am a lot less gopiscrap Sep 2013 #10

If our President had only rejected the Afghan surge in 2009 . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #11

If our liberal activists had GOTV in 2009-10 we would have not lost ground in 2010 Hekate Sep 2013 #65

The President's decision certainly demoralized me. another_liberal Sep 2013 #77

If "disappointment" and "rage" kept you home in 2010, the consequences were of no help at all... Hekate Sep 2013 #84

I did not say that. another_liberal Sep 2013 #88

The party in the White House almost always sees a net loss in mid-term elections Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #80

+1, but you know....fuck Obama!! cause...he controls airThing... uponit7771 Sep 2013 #98

How wierd the uptick in republicans protesting war mirrors the downtick in democrats. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #12

Look again. another_liberal Sep 2013 #22

Oh, you're right, I totally misread that. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #83

Which tells me that they simply dropped their affiliation. joshcryer Sep 2013 #87

Hmmmm? another_liberal Sep 2013 #89

Yeah, and they keep protesting. joshcryer Sep 2013 #93

Seems like people only want to wake up so far felix_numinous Sep 2013 #13

Thats bullshit, GW did not call upon congress to go to war! Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #14

You really need to brush up on History to avoid embarrassing yourself. bvar22 Sep 2013 #62

Thanks for the education, I stand corrected. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #95

Or not enough desertion. polichick Sep 2013 #15

I stopped protesting RainDog Sep 2013 #17

I can see your point. I sometimes agree, but tomg Sep 2013 #43

yeah RainDog Sep 2013 #79

Rec! progressoid Sep 2013 #18

Recommend.... KoKo Sep 2013 #19

It very well may uncollapse in a hurry. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #20

This is what happens when you support the leader, because he is our guy, even though he continues RC Sep 2013 #25

Yes, party before principle, or worse, personality before principle. QC Sep 2013 #26

Then again here we are on *DU* cprise Sep 2013 #49

The "About" page here used to describe DU as QC Sep 2013 #85

Not shocking. blackspade Sep 2013 #27

I suggest that will change if this president start a war Marrah_G Sep 2013 #30

Protesting is time consuming and exhausting. Live and Learn Sep 2013 #31

Less Democrats are protesting because the Democratic President ended Bush's wars, as promised. tridim Sep 2013 #32

And now starting new ones of his own to take the place of those Bush wars... davidn3600 Sep 2013 #35

He's not starting a war. tridim Sep 2013 #47

just what in the hell do you call throwing a moltov cocktail into pit of gasoline? n/t nebenaube Sep 2013 #53

Like it or not, bombing elicits a different response than committing ground troups Hippo_Tron Sep 2013 #68

And the people that still want to protest can't see the difference between Bush and Obama. baldguy Sep 2013 #37

Neh, the height of the anti-war manifestation was under Dem LBJ and was about being DRAFTED. UTUSN Sep 2013 #41

Vietnam also had a strong partisan component. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #51

And if you look at the age of those who were in the streets tomg Sep 2013 #54

Good post! Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 #59

Wow. You said it all: "self-interest presented as righteousness and idealism." n/t UTUSN Sep 2013 #81

That's why people hate me, the truth n/t UTUSN Sep 2013 #82

pretty revolting Doctor_J Sep 2013 #48

Are you serious ? lumpy Sep 2013 #57

The ODS is strong with that one. tridim Sep 2013 #75

Yes Doctor_J Sep 2013 #76

The Democratic Party is right-of-center BlueStreak Sep 2013 #55

PBO's election did not start with a coup d'etat, for starters, but with trust Hekate Sep 2013 #56

"What really disappoints me is----------- and didn't GOTV for the midterm 2010 elections" mick063 Sep 2013 #63

Do tell: it's not clear what your smackdown against GOTV is or will be. nt Hekate Sep 2013 #67

Yep. Start a new war, offer to cut SS, abandon unions, fail on background checks, Doctor_J Sep 2013 #78

Apt to be little anti-war sentiment in a political party whose only response seems to be: indepat Sep 2013 #58

As seen above, modern party Democrats were never anti-war, they were anti-Bush... Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #69

also then draft made a difference =lets go classless this time lunasun Sep 2013 #102

I'd also like to see a Chart of how the Environmental/Food Safety Movement has fared KoKo Sep 2013 #70

It looks more like people went third party to me. joshcryer Sep 2013 #86

Totally agree and 3rd Ps present at protests this last week here lunasun Sep 2013 #103

the antiwar movement people I know.. annm4peace Sep 2013 #91

Statistics can get real noisy quaker bill Sep 2013 #92

I have to agree with you cprise Sep 2013 #100

it is simpler than that quaker bill Sep 2013 #104

I want my party back upi402 Sep 2013 #101