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WillyT

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Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:34 PM Sep 2013

If You've Had Your Fill Of American Empire (I Know I Have)... This Editorial Is For You... [View all]

Syria: the US public faces a grim reality TV choice
Obama is asking a jury of safe spectators to press the yes or no button for military strikes. Will they vote for an end to empire?

Jonathan Steele - The Guardian
Sunday 1 September 2013 13.15 EDT

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It is a case of breathtaking arrogance, a call for recognition that the US is not only the world's policeman but the world's enforcer. Obama said he was asking "every member of the global community" to consider what message impotence and inaction in the face of the use of chemical weapons would send to dictators everywhere. With a half-sentence that brushed the United Nations weapons inspectors aside and dismissed the security council for being "completely paralysed", Obama was saying in effect: "We are the empire. Accept us."

The difference between the rival motions that David Cameron and Ed Miliband put to the House of Commons and the one that Obama's people have drafted for Congress is instructive. In Britain the tone was more good Samaritan than good cop, highlighting protection over punishment. Both motions in parliament talked of alleviating the suffering of Syrian civilians and emphasised the principle of humanitarian intervention. Although Cameron and Miliband used dubious legal grounds to try to justify bypassing a veto in the UN security council by saying western military strikes were needed to protect Syrians, Obama's draft resolution only talks of "protecting the United States and its allies and partners", as though there is suddenly a new threat to the wider world.

The president's promise that military strikes on Syria would be limited and narrow is of course welcome. There will be no Baghdad-style shock and awe. For that we can be grateful. But war is still war, and the dangers of unintended consequences, mission creep and cracking on for the sake of cracking on lurk behind every sandhill.

Obama's draft resolution has a short paragraph on the need for a political settlement in Syria and even calls on the Geneva talks process to be resumed urgently. Is it cynical or just naive? Syrian rebels' intransigence and their unwillingness to attend without preconditions are the main reason for the failure of Geneva so far. US military strikes will only embolden them to delay further. The hope of a ceasefire – by far the most reliable and principled mechanism to protect Syrian lives – will recede again.

The best hope lies with the American public. It is not just the futility of eight years of fighting in Iraq, frustration in Afghanistan, the loss of thousands of soldiers' lives and the maiming of tens of thousands more that are causing so much doubt over a US attack on Syria now. Nor is it only the financial cost of war in an era of austerity. There is a growing sense that the problem goes beyond imperial overstretch. The very concept of empire is under scrutiny. Twenty years ago, Americans were proud to be the world's hyper-power. They felt they had won a great victory in the cold war. Now they see the pit into which that end-of-history triumphalism has led them. The US military-industrial complex and the power elite in Washington are feeling unusually uncomfortable. Even as pilotless drones and missiles have the potential to usher in an age of US casualty-free interventions, Obama is trying to summon Americans to take up a punitive role yet again. The next few days of national debate will be crucial, and in a week's time we will see which button they press.

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More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/01/us-public-doubts-attacking-syria

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More Guardian crap, they have lost their integrity. Good rags for check out line. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #1
What Specifically Is The Objection To The Proposition That Americans May Be Tired Of Empire cantbeserious Sep 2013 #4
This American is tired of untruths, you can't soar with eagles when you dine with Buzzards. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #5
Non-Answer - What Is The Untruth - What Is The Objection cantbeserious Sep 2013 #7
You know, there are just some folks who can not see the forest for seeing the trees. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #12
So - One Misstatement By Any Authority Thus Nullifies All Statements By Any Authority cantbeserious Sep 2013 #13
It degrades your integrity for sure, Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #23
So - You Do Consider Some Authorities That Make Misstatements From Time To Time cantbeserious Sep 2013 #24
Then they would fall into the lack of integrity category. Its simple get the truth and you Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #28
So Who Do You Consider Truthful cantbeserious Sep 2013 #31
those who do not ask questions Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #36
Non Answer - Who Do You Consider Truthful - Name Sources That You Rely On cantbeserious Sep 2013 #41
It won't ld not be you. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #42
Non-Answer - This All About You - What Sources Do You Rely On For News cantbeserious Sep 2013 #43
When it comes to my opinion you are damn straight it is about me, who else should it be? Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #50
A Fundamentalist Christian Church Bulletin? cantbeserious Sep 2013 #51
Nope Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #52
Good To Know - I'll Leave You To Revel In Your Undisclosed Trusts - Take Care cantbeserious Sep 2013 #53
Interesting logic MFrohike Sep 2013 #15
I expect journalist to dig until they get the complete truthful report, if they fail to put the Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #26
Ok MFrohike Sep 2013 #33
If the shoe fits then wear it. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #35
It is what it is MFrohike Sep 2013 #37
LOL, I know about you guys and soaring eagles, this song is to please you Dragonfli Sep 2013 #57
Judge the article not the sight. Where are these Democrats coming from rhett o rick Sep 2013 #8
Lerp. nashville_brook Sep 2013 #14
Behold - the great "Liberal" who spits venom at news organizations Maedhros Sep 2013 #44
hardly worth the ridicule... nashville_brook Sep 2013 #47
He can't help it, the poor thing just wants to let the eagle soar, like it did in 2003 Dragonfli Sep 2013 #58
Thanks n2doc Sep 2013 #2
You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #6
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Sep 2013 #3
It's time to put an end to all this imperial hypocrisy. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #9
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #10
Anytime... WillyT Sep 2013 #16
The "Best Hope" not only lies with American Public but With the World..to KoKo Sep 2013 #11
The Guardian needs to address the sale of nerve gases and England's responsibility. jwirr Sep 2013 #17
I think you mean the United Kingdom truebluegreen Sep 2013 #56
Corrected. Thank you. jwirr Sep 2013 #59
But..but...we want another Mission Accomplished banner and expandable cod-piece!! Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #18
How Much Of This Dialog Is Designed To Direct Our Attention Away From The NSA 4th Amendment Abuses cantbeserious Sep 2013 #19
A PR flop replaced by a PR war.....destined to be a flop. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #21
we've been questioning empire for a while, amirite? nashville_brook Sep 2013 #20
+1 cantbeserious Sep 2013 #22
K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #25
I'm way past sick of it. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #27
+1 nashville_brook Sep 2013 #48
How about all the chemicals they (TPTB) profit from but aren't orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #29
Nostalgia ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #30
Take this this job and shove it! Royal777 Sep 2013 #32
K&R! Phlem Sep 2013 #34
Keep in mind that the United States didn't even want to get involved in the war in Europe,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #38
kick grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #39
Amazing , Cryptoad Sep 2013 #40
here is the moral argument from my perspective.... mike_c Sep 2013 #54
We're half awake in a fake empire... adirondacker Sep 2013 #45
If Obama chooses to enter the Syria fray adieu Sep 2013 #46
Nobel Repo Committee. nt nashville_brook Sep 2013 #49
? warrant46 Sep 2013 #64
Kick Kick KICK! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #55
k/r marmar Sep 2013 #60
K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #61
K&R. pacalo Sep 2013 #62
Last Kick... Good Luck All... WillyT Sep 2013 #63
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