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LostOne4Ever

(9,767 posts)
14. This was posted on the very first thread I ever replied to here at DU
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:54 PM
Sep 2013

I thought it was one of the most insightful posts I have ever saw and still feel that way despite the fact that I have had some rather strong disagreements with this particular poster in the past.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1256&pid=6609


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Consider all things carefully.
Accept nothing upon faith.
Doubt the established order.

Political or philosophical discussions should never feel "reassuring." That's one of the main symptoms of conservative "discussion." There is no room for debate. They spend the entire time patting themselves on the backs. Usually for doing despicable things.

What makes us different as progressive people is our willingness to respect other intelligent opinion not simply because it has a right to exist but also because you might very well be incorrect.

The concept of being incorrect is not really an acceptable position when it comes to conservatives. The beliefs they were taught as young, ignorant children are what they grasp on to their entire lives. This is why xenophobia and group-think are so common among the "right." It's arrested development.

It is said that the more we learn the more aware we become of our own ignorance. The fact that you are torn is not a flaw but rather evidence that you are thinking about things logically and understand the shortcomings of our limited knowledge. It is not something to be ashamed about.

I am solidly against the war, but what is happening to the Syrian people gives me pause. I want us to help them, but I feel convinced we will only make things worse, or will trade one type of tyranny for another worse one. But when I see the arguments for going to war I have to sit and think. I DEEPLY believe there is almost always a better way to resolve our problems than through violence.

These are not easy issues my friend, and the fact that you are uneasy if anything means you truly are a good liberal as opposed to an unthinking partisan or naive ideologue. Be proud that no matter what you decide you took time to really consider the issue and never be apologetic about it.

AND REMEMBER, that this is true with those who decide differently than you. Though we may disagree, we all want what is best for us, our country, and the world.

Though some here may deny it fiercely we are all liberals here fighting for what is good and correct in this world.



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Nope. I'm also torn. Adrahil Sep 2013 #1
When Bashar al Assad approaches the level of Adolph Hitler... MNBrewer Sep 2013 #17
I can't fault you... Adrahil Sep 2013 #22
So until he kills millions with gas....he is aok in your book? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51
What makes him different from the Saudi princes who've paid terrorists to kill tens of 1000s leveymg Sep 2013 #55
Um no... MNBrewer Sep 2013 #61
We all have to perform our own analysis. David__77 Sep 2013 #2
I don't like wars, seen too many and innocent people are killed and injured. I think what set this Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #3
That is what distinguishes you from republicans liberal N proud Sep 2013 #4
^^ This thing right here. ^^ nt Robb Sep 2013 #24
I'm torn too nt maryellen99 Sep 2013 #5
I'm torn too Ruby the Liberal Sep 2013 #6
no Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #7
Not at all DJ13 Sep 2013 #8
thats why people, myself inculded, are torn on the issue. dionysus Sep 2013 #21
I agree, which is one of the reasons I'm against any retaliatory strikes DJ13 Sep 2013 #25
i don't think obama has nefarious motives.. the thought a lot have is "we need to save these people" dionysus Sep 2013 #35
i don't think obama has nefarious motives.. DJ13 Sep 2013 #36
there is always that. dionysus Sep 2013 #37
Indeed, if, as I suspect, Assad ramps up after a strike... joshcryer Sep 2013 #40
So sending the message to other dictators that gassing your opponents will not be tolerated VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #53
WHAT other dictators?? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #62
Who said THAT was the plan? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #52
Not a bad liberal LearningCurve Sep 2013 #9
No hard decisions are made without being a little torn before hand Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #10
I'm torn too. Perhaps we'll have to wait and watch more sadness unfold. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #11
Nope! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #12
No... You Are Not Alone, But... WillyT Sep 2013 #13
This was posted on the very first thread I ever replied to here at DU LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #14
I am opposed because so far, I haven't seen any intelligent plans put forth. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #15
The "bad" ones are the doctrinaire ones who have all the answers... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #16
who is planning on turning it into Iraq? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #54
No one that I know of. TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #57
Me either VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #60
No - it's a complex issue. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #18
No, your not wrong. janlyn Sep 2013 #19
nope, its called being nuanced in your thinking. dionysus Sep 2013 #20
It's the old two step..... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #23
No, I don't hold with the assumption treestar Sep 2013 #26
No I'm torn also but my gut says no! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #27
The thing is, KamaAina Sep 2013 #28
Progressives SHOULD be torn. Barack_America Sep 2013 #29
I'd say you're a GOOD Liberal jazzimov Sep 2013 #30
I think we can all agree that Republicans have no credibility on the issue. n/t Darkhawk32 Sep 2013 #31
Try being in the minority here ...I find myself in favor of action. jessie04 Sep 2013 #32
Anybody LWolf Sep 2013 #33
me too KT2000 Sep 2013 #34
Rec for honesty. I'm not torn on the issue. joshcryer Sep 2013 #38
My heart says no on strikes, and my brain says it has mixed feelings on this. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #39
I'm sure according to some.. but, not to me, Darkhawk. Cha Sep 2013 #41
Not at all I feel the same way Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #42
Not torn at all, it needs to be done. denbot Sep 2013 #43
All the options are appalling; you'd be a fool if you weren't torn. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #44
kicked for civility. nt jessie04 Sep 2013 #45
Definitely not a bad liberal. Skinner Sep 2013 #46
Agreed. IMO a Democrat, liberal or otherwise, has a responsibility to... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63
I too am torn, Darkhawk. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #47
I'm also not sure what we should or shouldn't do. DrewFlorida Sep 2013 #48
'Calm rant'. Kudos just for that. randome Sep 2013 #49
K & R. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #50
kick jessie04 Sep 2013 #56
I'm torn also Skidmore Sep 2013 #58
I am torn myself. HappyMe Sep 2013 #59
I'm with you...torn, also. nt cry baby Sep 2013 #64
Thanks for all the replies. Was feeling sort of lonely with my feelings. n/t Darkhawk32 Sep 2013 #65
No ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #66
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