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3. Just as many Democrats will vote "yes" as will be needed
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:07 AM
Sep 2013

to ensure approval of the strikes. Obama would not be seeking Congressional approval if the votes were not already counted.




The Democratic Party's Deceitful Game

http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Party’s deceitful game

Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how it’s played:

.... Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing...But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process — which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option — Rockefeller is suddenly “inclined to oppose it” because he doesn’t “think the timing of it is very good” and it’s “too partisan.” What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldn’t pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he “would not relent” in ensuring its enactment.

The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama — while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary — finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don’t have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there’s a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.

This is what the Democratic Party does...They’re willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there’s no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bush’s eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bush’s habeas and interrogation abuses (“Gosh, what can we do? We just don’t have 60 votes).

The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.


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That's good news. Now, let's just hope they don't change their LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #1
1 bulk order of pork, comin' right up! Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #13
Keynes said it was better for a government to pay people to dig holes and fill HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #14
King Canute, is that you? dawg Sep 2013 #18
LMFAO - great pic! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #19
Good! I hope the no column grows. But would that stop Obama? morningfog Sep 2013 #2
The fix is in. woo me with science Sep 2013 #24
Just as many Democrats will vote "yes" as will be needed woo me with science Sep 2013 #3
You're right, of course. Villain Rotation is a ploy that has worked. No need to give it up. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #5
Thanks for this, woo. Hadn't seen that article before. kath Sep 2013 #6
How'd that work for Cameron? LOL! KittyWampus Sep 2013 #11
Are all those "likely to" support and will "definitely" back the use of force chicken-hawks? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #4
The politically correct term for Chicken Hawks is "Soaring Eagles" please use the correct term Dragonfli Sep 2013 #34
Point taken. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #37
Republicans far more likely to oppose military action, while Democrats were likely to support it progressoid Sep 2013 #7
There are a few in each party who try to follow their conscience, LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #8
Is there an estimate for the most liberal Democrats? David Krout Sep 2013 #17
So far 35 members of the Progressive Caucus were among those included in the OP link. pampango Sep 2013 #21
My figures are so far: Progressive Caucus-18 no, 10 yes, undecided 7; tea party caucus-20 no, 1 yes, pampango Sep 2013 #9
related bookmark bigtree Sep 2013 #23
What about the other 210, though? (Two vacancies, AL and MA) MADem Sep 2013 #10
How do you think the House will vote? nt David Krout Sep 2013 #15
When most Democrats supported the Amash amendment on the NSA, did you think it was interesting? David Krout Sep 2013 #16
I don't have "goals" and even if I did, they don't make a damn bit of difference when it comes to MADem Sep 2013 #20
Likely the deals regarding who's to get rich from the New War DirkGently Sep 2013 #12
This Congress knows where their bread is buttered. woo me with science Sep 2013 #22
so we have to lay our hopes on the repukes to do the right thing backwoodsbob Sep 2013 #25
Yup. We need Rand Paul :(. Pelosi and Feinstein are hacks when it comes to Natl Sec. . dkf Sep 2013 #28
Fortunately (?), Paul and the tea party caucus are not "hacks"? pampango Sep 2013 #32
I'm not talking about the progressive caucus, I'm speaking of Dem leadership. dkf Sep 2013 #33
"We need Rand Paul?" For what, precisely? nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #36
And the only reason you'll get the "right thing" out of the GOP CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #30
You can bet that AIPAC and MIC lobbyists.... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #26
Where people are depends on the question karynnj Sep 2013 #29
Democrats are going to be called on to save Obama's credibility. Disgusting. dkf Sep 2013 #27
Thank Goodness for Barbara Lee. JRLeft Sep 2013 #31
This article is in error about the Iraq War Resolution vote. A majority of Democrats opposed. stevenleser Sep 2013 #35
It seems to correctly indicate in 2002 "Democrats in the House provided 'the bulk of the opposition' AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #38
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