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In reply to the discussion: Syria Strike Whip Count - No/Lean No: 124 Yes/Lean Yes: 35 Undecided: 63 [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)3. Just as many Democrats will vote "yes" as will be needed
to ensure approval of the strikes. Obama would not be seeking Congressional approval if the votes were not already counted.
The Democratic Party's Deceitful Game
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Partys deceitful game
Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how its played:
.... Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing...But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option Rockefeller is suddenly inclined to oppose it because he doesnt think the timing of it is very good and its too partisan. What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldnt pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he would not relent in ensuring its enactment.
The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just dont have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that theres a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.
This is what the Democratic Party does...Theyre willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as theres no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bushs eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bushs habeas and interrogation abuses (Gosh, what can we do? We just dont have 60 votes).
The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, its Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, its Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and breaking with their party to ensure Michael Mukaseys confirmation as Attorney General; then its Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then its Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they cant blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they dont need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.
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Syria Strike Whip Count - No/Lean No: 124 Yes/Lean Yes: 35 Undecided: 63 [View all]
bigtree
Sep 2013
OP
Keynes said it was better for a government to pay people to dig holes and fill
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#14
You're right, of course. Villain Rotation is a ploy that has worked. No need to give it up.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#5
Are all those "likely to" support and will "definitely" back the use of force chicken-hawks?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#4
The politically correct term for Chicken Hawks is "Soaring Eagles" please use the correct term
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#34
Republicans far more likely to oppose military action, while Democrats were likely to support it
progressoid
Sep 2013
#7
So far 35 members of the Progressive Caucus were among those included in the OP link.
pampango
Sep 2013
#21
My figures are so far: Progressive Caucus-18 no, 10 yes, undecided 7; tea party caucus-20 no, 1 yes,
pampango
Sep 2013
#9
When most Democrats supported the Amash amendment on the NSA, did you think it was interesting?
David Krout
Sep 2013
#16
I don't have "goals" and even if I did, they don't make a damn bit of difference when it comes to
MADem
Sep 2013
#20
Yup. We need Rand Paul :(. Pelosi and Feinstein are hacks when it comes to Natl Sec. .
dkf
Sep 2013
#28
This article is in error about the Iraq War Resolution vote. A majority of Democrats opposed.
stevenleser
Sep 2013
#35
It seems to correctly indicate in 2002 "Democrats in the House provided 'the bulk of the opposition'
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#38