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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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71. Apples to apples

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:38 AM

Sep 2013

For 2010: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf
See table 10 pages 90 and 91.

Accidental firearm discharge (ages 0 - 4): 25
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms (ages 0 - 4): 54

Accidental drowning and submersion ages 0 - 4: 475

Totals:
Firearm deaths (ages 0 - 4): 79
Drownings (ages 0 - 4): 475

Let me point out that those drownings are the accidental cases only. Deaths involving deliberate drowning are grouped in with "Assault (homicide) by other and unspecified means and their sequelae" which (for ages 0 - 4): 642

The big picture:
Accidental deaths (for ages 0 - 4) excluding firearms: 2479
Homicide deaths (for ages 0 - 4) excluding firearms: 642

Total of those (for ages 0 - 4): 3121

Total deaths involving firearms (for ages 0 - 4): 79

One in four households in the US have one or more firearms.

Finally, the firearm death rate (all ages) for Washington DC for a 22 month period during 2005 and 2006 exceeded the firearm death rate for US soldiers in Baghdad.

Statistics and accurate comparisons thereof go beyond a google news dump.

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Sarasota Mother Shot Her Daughter, 1, Then Turned Gun on Herself [View all] Robb Sep 2013 OP

Yes, that. Precisely that. PDJane Sep 2013 #1

More guns would not have saved this poor baby's life......or her mom's. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2013 #2

Having a gun in the house makes suicide 5 times more likely. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #27

Exactly. easttexaslefty Sep 2013 #36

In addition... Orrex Sep 2013 #44

yep Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #48

Yes. Maybe she was abused and could see no other options. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #76

RIP LittleBlue Sep 2013 #3

Sad, but had she drowned her daughter instead Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #4

omg. bunnies Sep 2013 #5

It happens more often than it should Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #22

No, the method available ABSOLUTELY matters. A gun makes suicide 5 times more likely. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #32

this is truth Ed Suspicious Sep 2013 #37

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. easttexaslefty Sep 2013 #40

I appreciate your post and comments. Thank you. The truth matters. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #55

It is never about the person or the act, those things do not matter The Straight Story Sep 2013 #6

Guns are "the few"? bunnies Sep 2013 #9

What I mean is simply The Straight Story Sep 2013 #10

Ah. Now I get it. bunnies Sep 2013 #11

No problem, having a pancake on the head causes confusion The Straight Story Sep 2013 #13

Its all that foil I use to keep it warm. bunnies Sep 2013 #58

Yes, it's like Russian Roulette which all of us are being forced to play. Loudly Sep 2013 #20

You aren't being forced to do anything. beevul Sep 2013 #109

Don't mock gun control jurisdictions. Loudly Sep 2013 #111

Bullshit. beevul Sep 2013 #115

And a sense of martyrdom too it appears... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #102

One estimate says 114 million handguns in the US, so 1% is just over a million to worry about... Thor_MN Sep 2013 #35

With over 44,000 posts you know it's all about the agenda, not the real issues rl6214 Sep 2013 #51

I don't like it either Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #59

Bathtub control? Robb Sep 2013 #7

More children die by drowning than by gunshot. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #14

Robb's agenda is to take away guns. LAGC Sep 2013 #17

Apparently, your agenda is to infest this country with more guns. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #19

Robb has an agenda? pintobean Sep 2013 #46

I don't know if that's the answer to everything Nevernose Sep 2013 #50

Please provide evidence for that statement Mariana Sep 2013 #38

NPR did a story on that a few years ago Nevernose Sep 2013 #45

You know the agenda is to take away the evil guns, not child safety rl6214 Sep 2013 #52

...AND if a parent lets their child DROWN in a TUB? alphafemale Sep 2013 #57

well, we could have better drains and such. And who NEEDS tubs, we have showers The Straight Story Sep 2013 #16

I see you have attracted the folks who want to continue infesting this country with more guns. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #18

Only to those that want to eliminate gun ownership... beevul Sep 2013 #110

OMG - Great way to miss the point! alittlelark Sep 2013 #12

Fail. Bathtub drownings: 72. Gunshot victims: 2,793 Hekate Sep 2013 #15

Ahh yes, could you get more dishonest than using one number that is only kids under 5 and... Lee-Lee Sep 2013 #23

Fail. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #24

Most kids who drown ARE under 5; taking the age up to 19 won't change the statistics all that much. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #26

Limit the gunshot deaths to under 5, since that age ramge of child in OP. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #29

That would skew the comparison, since most kids who are shot are over 5. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #34

So you want to skew it favorable to your agenda. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #41

You're projecting. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #49

416 kids aged 0-14 were killed by guns in the U.S. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #66

How many kids 14 to 17 are killed by guns each year? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #72

Problem is, I don't consider them "kids" above age 16 Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #78

for 2010... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #79

The death rate for gun suicides in 2010 increased 3.4% from 2009. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #84

re: "Not sure why you..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #90

I was asking why you were talking about accidental GUN deaths... SunSeeker Sep 2013 #97

The member to whom I replied said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #103

You've got quite a "problem," especially if you try dating one of those 17 year old "adults." SunSeeker Sep 2013 #81

I'll keep that in mind if I decide to date a 17 yo Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #89

The vast majority of gun deaths are suicides. "Safe storage" will not prevent that. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #98

Actually, I was agreeing with you til that last part... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #100

Are you suggesting people will just jump off buildings if they don't have guns? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #104

There WILL be no taxes on guns for that. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #108

I support education and universal background checks hack89 Sep 2013 #101

So you support PSAs that say you are far more likely to be killed by your own gun than saved by it? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #105

It doesn't bother me hack89 Sep 2013 #106

Cool. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #107

None. Those aren't "kids." Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #85

You do realize how creepy it is to say a 14 year old is not a "kid," right? SunSeeker Sep 2013 #99

Bra-fucking-Vo! (Now I understand better why you take such umbrage HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #47

Apples to apples discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #71

I agree with you. The woman may have been in deep depression. She would have used bluestate10 Sep 2013 #70

Yet another incident of gun ownership working avebury Sep 2013 #8

how about if i feel horrible for the father that walked into that home.... nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #21

I bet he bought that gun to "protect" his family, believing the gun mfrs' propaganda. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #25

i guess me feeling bad for the father is not good enough.... i will stick with that. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #31

Maybe he bought it to terrorize the wife. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #77

welcome back, summer vacation is over snooper2 Sep 2013 #73

ha ha. lol. so true. and seabeyond Sep 2013 #74

He heard the shots fired. I bet the police in any other state B Calm Sep 2013 #28

If only the baby was armed too. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #30

And only the anti gun nuts say something like this rl6214 Sep 2013 #53

Does that make you sad? Do you haz a sad? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #61

Does this make you more juvenile? rl6214 Sep 2013 #62

"Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA," RetroLounge Sep 2013 #63

74% of posts in GD rl6214 Sep 2013 #64

Forum vs Group RetroLounge Sep 2013 #83

Number of posts rl6214 Sep 2013 #96

Reading problems? RetroLounge Sep 2013 #116

What's your favorite group, RL? pintobean Sep 2013 #65

You might have a point RetroLounge Sep 2013 #82

Could we compromise on requiring guns to be kept unloaded, apart, and locked in separate places? raging moderate Sep 2013 #33

I think gun owners could exercise some common-sense policing of their own ranks. raging moderate Sep 2013 #42

That exact issue is what Heller was about. hack89 Sep 2013 #60

Actually, better home storage of guns should be promoted... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #93

The NRA and right have lost their minds..... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #39

WOW! "Penises and Clitorises appear bigger!" A first Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #94

As another gun salesman earns his horns . . . NBachers Sep 2013 #43

This is local news, Mods. Yet it is here. 2 other groups handle this. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #54

Yeah, but this is the anti-choice view, which is approved of so it will stay The Straight Story Sep 2013 #56

And despite what someone named "Skinner" says? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #67

Skinner seemed pretty clear The Straight Story Sep 2013 #68

This OP raises a question in my mind about depression that some women experience after bluestate10 Sep 2013 #69

Note: Here in Florida, they made it ILLEGAL for a doctor to ask if there were any guns in the house Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #75

You think a doctor pintobean Sep 2013 #80

A doctor ought to discuss it with the one year old's parents. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #86

The doctor could always still discuss it with the parent or patient. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #92

When there's a gun actually in the house, it's all the more real of a situation. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #113

I don't think guns should be different, but... aikoaiko Sep 2013 #114

Wrong. the law was written because a doctor denied ongoing service to a parent who aikoaiko Sep 2013 #87

From the article: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #88

An unattributed assertion from anti-gun Bloomberg press. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #91

Nothing in that legislation keeps a doc from handing out Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #95

Got any more comments on the liberal media, Mr. Limbaugh? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #112