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2naSalit

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67. I have long thought that

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:01 PM

Sep 2013

Israel is only one lobe of the MIC... the mouthpiece that keeps us in the warmongering mode when any other option isn't working. They threaten to attack a bigger entity and clam that their survival depends on it then run and hide behind US military for protection. I think we should let them cast their stones and own the retaliation for their actions. Let them go bomb Syria and let them then enjoy the consequences on their own. Make no mistake, I am a direct descendant of Jews and many of my relatives died in WWII prison camps but what we (the US) have allowed and facilitated with that manufactured guarantee for perpetual war in the ME is a crime against humanity.

All of humanity has to own this fact, and most especially, the citizens of the US.

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New York Times Deletes This Paragraph In Which White House Says AIPAC Is Key To War [View all] n2doc Sep 2013 OP

More and more it appears this push for war has nothing to do with chemical weapons... last1standing Sep 2013 #1

What "war"? The Syrian Civil War is pretty complex as is the involvement of Russia, Iran, the USA KittyWampus Sep 2013 #15

It hasn't been proven that Assad used chemical weapons. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #20

It's very likely that the rebels used chemical weapons on civilians as well. last1standing Sep 2013 #21

The US government needs to prove Assad ordered the attack first. ocpagu Sep 2013 #63

Assad didn't do it. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #123

Have you seen something that proves Assad is responsible for this? Global press reports sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #125

What aipac wants, it gets! pocoloco Sep 2013 #33

"because Hitler" isn't even an appeal to emotion: they've fallen one step beyond that MisterP Sep 2013 #36

Never has & if it was truly about morality... Rockyj Sep 2013 #109

The Chair of the Sen. Foreign Relations Comm will chair Syria war hearings, is a top-tier AIPAC leveymg Sep 2013 #2

A shit-load of money that AIPAC invests because they are Ninga Sep 2013 #8

both Richard Burr and Kay Hagan are on this list Supersedeas Sep 2013 #24

This shows how fucked up this country has gotten - chaching!! polichick Sep 2013 #27

The Senate is beholden to them. We need publicly financed elections badly. JRLeft Sep 2013 #39

Lobbyists for foreign countries should be banned from contributing to US politicians, Ocelot Sep 2013 #50

AIPAC is American leftynyc Sep 2013 #58

Yes. They need to start an AMERICAN lobby of their own Ocelot Sep 2013 #61

THEY ARE AMERICAN leftynyc Sep 2013 #70

They are spies & criminals acting on behalf of a foreign government Ocelot Sep 2013 #84

They were FIRED by AIPAC leftynyc Sep 2013 #87

Fired to save face for AIPAC Ocelot Sep 2013 #90

Oh - is that how it works? leftynyc Sep 2013 #94

This isn't about Snowden Ocelot Sep 2013 #103

It is the same leftynyc Sep 2013 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author Ocelot Sep 2013 #138

If you had a brain, Scarecrow Ocelot Sep 2013 #139

They were fired only after they were indicted, and AIPAC members then picked up their bills. leveymg Sep 2013 #93

So what? leftynyc Sep 2013 #95

Nobody says every AIPAC member is a spy, just that it needs to be registered as a foreign agent. leveymg Sep 2013 #100

It's Americans lobbying for leftynyc Sep 2013 #127

Why carry water for these extremist right wingers? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #113

Because they aren't leftynyc Sep 2013 #128

It's perhaps relevant to observe that this subject receives little mention Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #106

51st State? That would be Airstrip One, Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #105

So was the German-American Bund. But, they're still an unregistered foreign lobbying and agent for leveymg Sep 2013 #62

Who are the ten senators not on the list? reusrename Sep 2013 #72

How much did John Kerry get during his tenure? countmyvote4real Sep 2013 #112

K & R & AzDar Sep 2013 #3

Ah...the wonders of search engines on the "Internets"...times have changed for sure. Ninga Sep 2013 #4

It was from an unidentified source so removing it doesn't point to much. randome Sep 2013 #5

Invalid point. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #114

Note to the Times:. .NOTHING ever really annabanana Sep 2013 #6

Odd how what's news can change. Octafish Sep 2013 #7

I was thinking the same thing. AIPAC = PNAC LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #10

Yes, those two warmongering factions are aligned... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #42

People don't mention that enough. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #75

Also from NYT: redline was inserted into Obama's Aug. '12 speech under threat by Israel leveymg Sep 2013 #11

Google "Putin and Red Line". You should get a relevant amount of searches. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #12

What is "a relevant amount of searches?" RU saying Russia forced the redlines and Israel didn't? leveymg Sep 2013 #13

What about this well known poisoner? Should we do something? AikidoSoul Sep 2013 #37

Love that! n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #97

Ah, so the story morphs ever more. lark Sep 2013 #45

I have long thought that 2naSalit Sep 2013 #67

Ding, ding - we have a winner!! lark Sep 2013 #101

Thankyou. Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #107

Excellent post - eom dreamnightwind Sep 2013 #118

Oddly Lindsey Graham get's much less that the top contributions KoKo Sep 2013 #68

Although an avid reader of the paper, I refer to it as the "Shady Lady" since the Iraq invasion. nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #16

Weren't Wilkes and Foggo besties with AIPAC? hootinholler Sep 2013 #17

Sibel Edmonds spoke quite a bit on AIPAC Oilwellian Sep 2013 #51

Edmonds is a con artist Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 #66

You seem to know little or nothing about her. leveymg Sep 2013 #83

She has conned everyone that has sent her money. Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 #86

No, I conclude from your libel that you're an internet hitman who has it in for her. leveymg Sep 2013 #89

Please feel free to believe the Sibel Edmonds myth if that is your pleasure. Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 #102

I was familiar with that story about Schakowsky dreamnightwind Sep 2013 #119

better to be anonymous Supersedeas Sep 2013 #22

It's all about journalistic integrity Supersedeas Sep 2013 #130

''Integrity? Integrity is for paupers!'' -- Tim Russert, reportedly. Octafish Sep 2013 #136

K&R Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #9

K&R Segami Sep 2013 #14

We are AIPAC's yo yo IMO. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #18

Iran being "emboldened in the future to attack Israel" ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #19

Well, the Bible says... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #46

Everyone sneezes. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #60

K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #23

I'm shocked! joeybee12 Sep 2013 #25

I should have known. KamaAina Sep 2013 #26

"The Joooos control everything" bullshit... SidDithers Sep 2013 #28

Anti-Semitic? What makes it anti-Semitic to say AIPAC wants somethng? polichick Sep 2013 #30

Persecuted much? go west young man Sep 2013 #41

Did you mean to post that to me? polichick Sep 2013 #44

I hope not. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #49

Thanks - it wouldn't make sense... polichick Sep 2013 #55

Sorry about that. go west young man Sep 2013 #120

No worries. polichick Sep 2013 #134

You do realize AIPAC is American Jews, don't you? leftynyc Sep 2013 #59

luckily the Syrian rebels we support will do that for us, they like to eat livers too Dragonfli Sep 2013 #69

Actually each and every post of leftynyc Sep 2013 #71

They lobby for foreign interests, I'd say that makes them a foreign lobby. /nt Dragonfli Sep 2013 #73

So everybody gets a say - everybody leftynyc Sep 2013 #74

Not at all, I just feel that lobbying for foreign interests does not belong in our government. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #76

Don't put words in my mouth leftynyc Sep 2013 #77

You can advocate for whatever foreign country who's interests you favor over ours - I don't care Dragonfli Sep 2013 #85

We'll forget the implication that I'm leftynyc Sep 2013 #88

The first Amendement does not state that foreign countries can buy US policy Dragonfli Sep 2013 #91

So much stupid and so leftynyc Sep 2013 #92

Lobbying by foreign countries!!!! Not lobbying (talk about stupid) Dragonfli Sep 2013 #99

I'm with you, Dragonfli....nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #124

LOL - this is ridiculous leftynyc Sep 2013 #129

LOL sure, sure, I suppose Iran should also have registered lobbyists Dragonfli Sep 2013 #131

Uh - Americans spied on Americans leftynyc Sep 2013 #132

Of course, AIPAC is all about spying ON America FOR America, they barely acknowledge Israel exists Dragonfli Sep 2013 #137

Exactly! ctsnowman Sep 2013 #133

A minority of American Jews eridani Sep 2013 #78

Your post is really leftynyc Sep 2013 #79

You've got evidence that AIPAC represents majority American Jewish opinion? eridani Sep 2013 #81

If you think that was the leftynyc Sep 2013 #82

I maintain that it's funnier if you spell it "Jooz" Orrex Sep 2013 #38

I think you're right... SidDithers Sep 2013 #43

I hate to burst your bubble Ocelot Sep 2013 #47

Quite the complex you've got there n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #104

Hey Dithers. You've made an accusation of anti-semitism. Get busy explaining yourself. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #115

Wow = what a sell out by the NYT Berlum Sep 2013 #29

As my name suggests, I feel the same. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #116

No surprise moondust Sep 2013 #31

Both sides in this civil war are our enemies. At least one side has used nerve gas The Second Stone Sep 2013 #32

That's Neocon speak. The Stranger Sep 2013 #35

and that's how a hegemony works: when its terminology is adopted even by its opponents MisterP Sep 2013 #48

"and, even if they were, that does not mean there can be no appropriate response." rhett o rick Sep 2013 #53

Weak comparison. "Bush" and "NeoCon" are trump card attempts that should be avoided. Dash87 Sep 2013 #54

The truth slips through from time to time Ocelot Sep 2013 #34

Every now and then, they accidentally tell the truth kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #40

K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #52

Go figure libodem Sep 2013 #56

War For Profit. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #57

Coxkroaches that can't stand the light.... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #64

Jewish leaders wary as White House seeks support for Syria vote in Congress Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #65

Sick and tired of AIPAC claiming to represent all American Jews? eridani Sep 2013 #80

+1, thanks. Glad someone mentioned them. Mc Mike Sep 2013 #135

Here's a screenshot of Google search showing the deleted paragraph: Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #96

K&r avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #98

update from the Times Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #108

Nice contribution to this discussion dreamnightwind Sep 2013 #121

Dear God in Heaven: is this all about doing AIPAC's bidding? Is this what this war is all about? indepat Sep 2013 #110

When Susan Rice said "we have no anticipation" that Congress will vote against action against Syria psychopomp Sep 2013 #111

The NYT also deleted embarrassing info snot Sep 2013 #117

Interesting dreamnightwind Sep 2013 #140

Just my email to my friend, which I could have faked, though I didn't. snot Sep 2013 #141

Thanks for taking the time to post that, dreamnightwind Sep 2013 #143

Agreed. snot Sep 2013 #144

Holy shit! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #122

Stuck between AIPAC and the Koch Brothers Generic Other Sep 2013 #142