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In reply to the discussion: Kerry: Bombing other countries is not "Going to war." [View all]Triana
(22,666 posts)39. I don't care what they want to call it...
...bombing Syria as a "punishment" as if the US is some goddamned worldwide moral compass everyone else has to synchronize to or as if the US is some kind of goddamned worldwide policeman or babysitter is just as offensive.
SURE what happened in Syria was bad. But GODDAMN we've done as bad or worse to our own people HERE! Instead of gassing them, we STARVE them to death. We take away their jobs, refuse to pay them livable wages when they do have jobs, take away their unemployment when they can't find any more jobs and we withhold or deny them needed healthcare. We have income inequality that is WORSE THAN IT'S EVER BEEN IN HISTORY. Our social and economic condition is a tinderbox and is UNSUSTAINABLE as it stands and cannot continue.
We stood by while Saddam "gassed his own people" and we fucking HELPED him do it! And we went behind him and gassed MORE of his people ourselves. And this government is SERIOUSLY considering bombing another country for "gassing" people? SERIOUSLY? OH. MY. GOD. the HYPOCRISY of this is just STUNNING.
STUNNING!!
WHAT. MORAL. COMPASS. does the United States have right now in light of all this to bomb Syria? What good is that going to do? How are we going to pay for it? And WHY should we?
If we fucking can't afford Social Security and Medicare, if we fucking let war criminals off scot-free and act like war criminals ourselves, if we fucking cannot manage to put gambling banksters who brought the world's economy TO. ITS. KNEES. just 5 years ago from which we STILL have not recovered, if we fucking give unfettered license to the likes of Wall St., the Koch Brothers and ALEC to BUY our government, suppress our votes, refuse to pay taxes, control our media and DESTROY our economy and our natural environment -- then we CANNOT. AFFORD. TO. BOMB. SYRIA.
------> AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE MORAL STANDING TO DO IT! <-------
EDITED TO ADD:
Just a few months ago, an asshole with an assault weapon went into an elementary school and MURDERED 20 little kids and what did our country DO about that? NOTHING. NOT. A. THING. Did we change or strengthen gun laws? NO. Did we outlaw assault weapons or high-capacity magazines? NO. WE. DID. NOTHING. Because the goddamned NRA controls our Congress. NINETY PERCENT or more of Americans wanted tougher gun laws. What did we GET? NOTHING. Because we have a pantywaist ninny Congress which is OWNED and CONTROLLED by gangsters.
Fuck Syria.
We have ISSUES of our own at home we need to deal with FIRST before we have ANY business "punishing" any other international "criminals" -- when the hell are we going to punish our own national ones? If we can't do that, we have no business sticking our noses into what any others do anywhere else.
This is BULLSHIT. The United States is NOT any kind of Moral International Church Lady that has ANY MORAL standing to do any of this. Not one iota!
GOD DAMN this fucking arrogant, hypocritical, criminal, immoral country! THIS ONE. RIGHT HERE. Not Syria. Not Iraq. THIS ONE.
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it would be for me if I were targeted and my family killed. kerry is a sell out.
roguevalley
Sep 2013
#233
dropping bombs on the assets of the government of a foreign country for the purpose of punishing ..
darkangel218
Sep 2013
#3
Who cares about semantics? It will be a military intervention with no boots on the ground.
darkangel218
Sep 2013
#20
We don't have anything certain in terms of proof. So do we need to rush to war - throwing bombs
avaistheone1
Sep 2013
#245
If it were Russia or China we were talking about would you still be chomping at the bit
Bandit
Sep 2013
#203
Otherwise he wouldn't be bending over backwards to convince you that it's not war.
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#130
And then this afternoon in his testimony Kerry couldn't even completely rule out
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#201
That's right. This is step one of a many step program called "regime change".
delrem
Sep 2013
#258
So if speaking to countries we are not in agreement is a good thing, and I agree that it is,
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#223
no but it means that you deserve more than to be called an SOB for having one...
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#113
Oh and now he is a "fucktard" because he has an opinion that is different than yours?
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#114
and if he takes out Assad's chemical weapons...will you eat your words?
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#50
We have been working on methods to neutralize them for over a decade..
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#185
I would have disagreed with you before Kerry opened his big mouth. But since
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#199
The difference is that I am an Internet poster. On the other hand Mr. Kerry
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#217
Ridiculous. Clinton took those actions without even consulting Congress, and most
ProSense
Sep 2013
#26
That's absolute nonsense. Taking out a building is not the same as a ground war. n/t
ProSense
Sep 2013
#72
You are haggling over mere semantics. Whether it's committing an act of war or going to war
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#125
I guess the "I was for it before I was against it" criticism had some validity.
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2013
#17
Kerry does such a good job playing the peacenik, that I forget he's a big fraud.
reformist2
Sep 2013
#19
So who decided that America has some fivine right to punish sovereign countries
malaise
Sep 2013
#25
You thought he has been speaking for someone/thing other than the administration?
NCTraveler
Sep 2013
#27
I think it may have been Gen. Zini that mentioned that we're short on troops...
fadedrose
Sep 2013
#229
Attacking a sovereign nation's military and populace is NOT an act of war?
Dawson Leery
Sep 2013
#30
It's an act of...... (scrabbles through dictuionary, throws it away) PATRIOTISM.
sibelian
Sep 2013
#227
I have hated John Kerry since he refused to call out the Republicans' lies on the Iraq war.
The Stranger
Sep 2013
#38
I feel you are being deliberately obtuse. You know what he means and so do most other people.
phleshdef
Sep 2013
#57
HAHA! Von Clauswitz: "War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will."
grahamhgreen
Sep 2013
#87
I just know that somewhere in this thread, where I can't see it, is someone saying
MisterP
Sep 2013
#90
Obama is not looking for a way out then? I had hoped he threw this in their court
Jefferson23
Sep 2013
#98
I think it has more to do with common usage - most short duration military actions are not called "w
karynnj
Sep 2013
#124
The slippery slope. Once people rationalize the use of drone strikes, it easy to justify
snagglepuss
Sep 2013
#135
Hey its all relative: compared to a nuclear strike (something the Isreali's have not taken off the..
marble falls
Sep 2013
#162
I'm fairly certain that if another country decided to drop a bomb on one of our military bases,
Blue_In_AK
Sep 2013
#164
GawdAlmighty!!! I read that subject line and I thought, "Is he all right? Maybe he has some
truth2power
Sep 2013
#191
If someone lobs a few in our country, we won't interpret it as an act of war, right, Mr. Secretary?
CrispyQ
Sep 2013
#208
If our government starts using WMDs on our own population... then no, it wouldn't be.
phleshdef
Sep 2013
#213
I get it. Because we used our WMD on other populations, we can still hold the moral high ground.
CrispyQ
Sep 2013
#230
No. But the UN ignoring violations of the chemical weapons ban doesn't make right either.
phleshdef
Sep 2013
#239
More and more I come to realize he only looked good 'cause of who he was running against
Scootaloo
Sep 2013
#211