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ProSense

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53. So if a drone strike
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:58 PM
Sep 2013
Prosense: What sort of MORON considers a drone strike "going to war?"

A moron who is, despite his disability, not morally insane.


...takes out a building housing airplanes, that's going to war?

Is that the same as a ground war?



:-( nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #1
it would be for me if I were targeted and my family killed. kerry is a sell out. roguevalley Sep 2013 #233
Orwell would be proud, Mr. Kerry. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #2
Remember that time in 1941 when Japan didn't go to war with the US? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #246
Perfect response. n/t Psephos Sep 2013 #254
Nope, doesn't look like war to me at all. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #268
dropping bombs on the assets of the government of a foreign country for the purpose of punishing .. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #3
That is as may be, but you you suggesting it isn't war? cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #9
Who cares about semantics? It will be a military intervention with no boots on the ground. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #20
Unless Al-Nusra gets hold of some chemical weapons, as Kerry explained /nt jakeXT Sep 2013 #24
Nothing is 100% proof. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #29
We don't have anything certain in terms of proof. So do we need to rush to war - throwing bombs avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #245
Which as Kerry did not say could happen if we attack or not karynnj Sep 2013 #129
John Kerry cares about semantics, that's who. Iggo Sep 2013 #35
Im not posting here to defend Kerrys words. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #40
I know why you are posting here. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #152
As I said down stream, it's a apparently not war when AllyCat Sep 2013 #248
If it were Russia or China we were talking about would you still be chomping at the bit Bandit Sep 2013 #203
This is not about punishing the country. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #261
God save us from you oh so "moral" avengers. delrem Sep 2013 #256
did we declare war in Kosovo? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44
The Kosovo War? Iggo Sep 2013 #65
Until Bill Clinton stepped up the game.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #122
And what was my premise again? Iggo Sep 2013 #127
Otherwise he wouldn't be bending over backwards to convince you that it's not war. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #130
You're right. I'm wrong. Iggo Sep 2013 #144
Look at the knots they're twisting themselves into LittleBlue Sep 2013 #139
Crazy, isn't it? Iggo Sep 2013 #145
I bet its amusing to you. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #262
OFFS progressoid Sep 2013 #226
It matters to those of us that fight these non-wars tazkcmo Sep 2013 #150
And then this afternoon in his testimony Kerry couldn't even completely rule out totodeinhere Sep 2013 #201
That's right. This is step one of a many step program called "regime change". delrem Sep 2013 #258
Push button war! What could be more video game-like? AllyCat Sep 2013 #235
Bye. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #236
we've had some monsters in the Carolina Sep 2013 #52
So Assads is not who we thought he was. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #58
Oh puhleeze Carolina Sep 2013 #63
Yes we do. The whole world apparently does. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #85
yeah right, and that's why the whole world Carolina Sep 2013 #103
LOL!... darkangel218 Sep 2013 #107
yeah Carolina Sep 2013 #109
So are yours about ignoring WMDs and genocide. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #111
So when the CIA Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #148
Did you read my posts? i said two wrongs dont make a right. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #168
And you couldn't be any happier. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #180
So why were you against the Iraq war? tazkcmo Sep 2013 #163
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #219
And now the LOLing tazkcmo Sep 2013 #158
it's become evident that Kerry is not who we thought he was either. frylock Sep 2013 #88
He is exactly who i thought he was. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #92
well good for you! frylock Sep 2013 #100
She owns stock. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #165
Interesting, so the Kerrys are war profiteers. Ocelot Sep 2013 #188
Get it right! tazkcmo Sep 2013 #190
"Not who we thought he was?" mazzarro Sep 2013 #126
Yes, he is not someone who can change their way. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #133
Again, Blind Eye tazkcmo Sep 2013 #155
Assad was NOT "our" guy, he war Russia's and Iran's karynnj Sep 2013 #132
I thought he was Nancy Pelosi's guy. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #204
No - he wasn't. karynnj Sep 2013 #218
So if speaking to countries we are not in agreement is a good thing, and I agree that it is, totodeinhere Sep 2013 #223
Really Carolina Sep 2013 #221
Genocide? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #64
Ask the people of Afganistan or Iraq if the bombing or killing ever stops. Dawgs Sep 2013 #82
...which they admit the bombing will not do.... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #91
Dropping bombs on anyone, regardless of reason, is an act of war.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #128
How do you know Assad is a monster? zeemike Sep 2013 #140
Take a look at the footage of his" work." darkangel218 Sep 2013 #143
So you saw him launching the weapons? zeemike Sep 2013 #159
Lol. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #166
No tazkcmo Sep 2013 #177
There is no hyperbole at all...I was dead serious zeemike Sep 2013 #207
Moved to a new thread I see. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #142
What a tool. whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #4
I am not surprised he made this ridiculous assertion. JRLeft Sep 2013 #5
Technically I would think that qualifies as an act of war Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #6
People dying aren't people dying. Makes sense Autumn Sep 2013 #7
The department of death determines what is and isn't war. JRLeft Sep 2013 #12
Disgraceful. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #8
Yeah he does....and that "SOB" served his country VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #47
Need someone have served in the military to have an opinion? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #68
no but it means that you deserve more than to be called an SOB for having one... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #113
Donald Rumsfeld served in the US Navy LittleBlue Sep 2013 #141
With Donald Rumsfeld....we found out he WAS wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #149
Respect is eanred tazkcmo Sep 2013 #174
Know who else served in the military? These guys! MNBrewer Sep 2013 #197
opinion is the Carolina Sep 2013 #69
Oh and now he is a "fucktard" because he has an opinion that is different than yours? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #114
He knows what going to war is Bradical79 Sep 2013 #176
What if another country bombs the US? Would we not regard it as an act of war? Orrex Sep 2013 #10
Should we have viewed Pearl Harbor differently? broiles Sep 2013 #23
+1 David Krout Sep 2013 #146
It flies in the face of common sense. David__77 Sep 2013 #11
If we had killer robots we could avoid "going to war" altogether cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #13
It's code for: "It will only kill THEM and not US." David__77 Sep 2013 #18
and if he takes out Assad's chemical weapons...will you eat your words? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #50
chemical weapons that came from the Carolina Sep 2013 #60
So? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #121
Bombing Assad's chemical weapons stocks won't "take them out." totodeinhere Sep 2013 #119
We have been working on methods to neutralize them for over a decade.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #185
I would have disagreed with you before Kerry opened his big mouth. But since totodeinhere Sep 2013 #199
before you opened "your big mouth" you mean? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #200
Isn't that what forums like this are for? n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #202
then wasn't the hearing where John Kerry was supposed to open his? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #205
The difference is that I am an Internet poster. On the other hand Mr. Kerry totodeinhere Sep 2013 #217
Take 'em out where? tazkcmo Sep 2013 #183
When one country bombs another country, it is an act of war The Second Stone Sep 2013 #14
Who actually believes that bullshit? kentuck Sep 2013 #15
Notice he says "OIHER countries"? But we know if someone bombs the USA? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #196
An act of war is "not going to war." ProSense Sep 2013 #16
Fuck yes! What sort of MORON did not consider cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #22
Ridiculous. Clinton took those actions without even consulting Congress, and most ProSense Sep 2013 #26
Prosense: What sort of MORON considers a drone strike "going to war?" cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #33
So if a drone strike ProSense Sep 2013 #53
Yes, it is going to war. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #71
That's absolute nonsense. Taking out a building is not the same as a ground war. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #72
Wowza! That's Baghdad Bob territory. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #79
"The phrase 'ground war' is not part of this OP" ProSense Sep 2013 #83
On who's part? Fuddnik Sep 2013 #102
Love how you make shit up. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #187
Kerry Won’t Rule Out Ground Troops Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #96
Good point worth repeating: KERRY WON’T RULE OUT GROUND TROOPS AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #105
But they aren't really ground troops tazkcmo Sep 2013 #189
Spinning like a tornado. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #77
Well that is exactly what Japan did at Pearl Harbor. zeemike Sep 2013 #154
It would be if it was our big building tazkcmo Sep 2013 #172
actually, pro, only a MORON or abject partisan APOLOGIST cali Sep 2013 #41
"No, drone strikes or cruise missiles are not the same as a ground war." ProSense Sep 2013 #55
But Kerry didn't say "ground war" tazkcmo Sep 2013 #192
Once we drop bombs, we are at "war" avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #104
You are haggling over mere semantics. Whether it's committing an act of war or going to war totodeinhere Sep 2013 #125
Blowing up people or things on another nation's soil is going to war. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #137
I hesitate to ask how you would define an act of sex. rug Sep 2013 #153
I'm sure he appreciates tazkcmo Sep 2013 #167
Yes. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #170
Spin, Level: Noah Webster. nt Union Scribe Sep 2013 #234
I guess the "I was for it before I was against it" criticism had some validity. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #17
Kerry does such a good job playing the peacenik, that I forget he's a big fraud. reformist2 Sep 2013 #19
Words are funny things, Mr. Kerry. Avalux Sep 2013 #21
So who decided that America has some fivine right to punish sovereign countries malaise Sep 2013 #25
You thought he has been speaking for someone/thing other than the administration? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #27
Sad indeed fadedrose Sep 2013 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #224
I think it may have been Gen. Zini that mentioned that we're short on troops... fadedrose Sep 2013 #229
Attacking a sovereign nation's military and populace is NOT an act of war? Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #30
It's an act of...... (scrabbles through dictuionary, throws it away) PATRIOTISM. sibelian Sep 2013 #227
:headoven: WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #31
Kerry obviously has no respect for Americans if he thinks we'll LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #32
Technically, Bush 43 didn't "go to war" with Iraq, either derby378 Sep 2013 #34
It was sure as hell "WAR!" when Iraq bombed the World Trade Center. MindPilot Sep 2013 #36
He sounds like Kissinger in fact Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #37
I have hated John Kerry since he refused to call out the Republicans' lies on the Iraq war. The Stranger Sep 2013 #38
Touche, Stranger Carolina Sep 2013 #75
I don't care what they want to call it... Triana Sep 2013 #39
Oh no! Where was this school tragedy :( Truthful, poignant rant Catherina Sep 2013 #94
Newtown... Triana Sep 2013 #134
Oh :( Catherina Sep 2013 #160
Righteous rant, Triana. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #178
I totally agree Oilwellian Sep 2013 #210
This should be an OP. Spot on. Celefin Sep 2013 #231
What happened to the John Kerry we once knew? Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #42
He voted for the Iraq war. same guy as always. JRLeft Sep 2013 #45
I was asking about this one: Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #54
He retired. JRLeft Sep 2013 #59
He got elected. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #193
Tell that to Cambodia. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Sep 2013 #184
The hearing is an amazing display of HUBRIS... polichick Sep 2013 #46
there's a lot of stupid mixed in with the propaganda too. cali Sep 2013 #51
I just hope these events wake up some Dem voters. polichick Sep 2013 #61
what a load of Carolina Sep 2013 #48
Why not call it an joelz Sep 2013 #49
"We have to drop bombs on civilians to keep civilians from being killed" HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #56
I feel you are being deliberately obtuse. You know what he means and so do most other people. phleshdef Sep 2013 #57
+1 onenote Sep 2013 #67
I feel you are being deliberately weird. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #74
Nope, not really. phleshdef Sep 2013 #81
The key phrase in your post is "Americans perceive". Dawgs Sep 2013 #93
Its not simple or black and white at all. phleshdef Sep 2013 #101
It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months. frylock Sep 2013 #99
That's the line that keeps running through my head... woo me with science Sep 2013 #115
Kerry is trying to semantic around his war crime in action. morningfog Sep 2013 #173
War crimes? Seriously? phleshdef Sep 2013 #209
Illegal acts of war are war crimes. morningfog Sep 2013 #220
He said it tazkcmo Sep 2013 #195
Using Pearl Harbor as an argument is downright idiotic. phleshdef Sep 2013 #212
Every bit as legitimate tazkcmo Sep 2013 #214
No, not even close. phleshdef Sep 2013 #215
This isn't about if we do or don't tazkcmo Sep 2013 #216
Except that Kerry admits he can't promise no boots Union Scribe Sep 2013 #238
And then he ruled them out like 5 minutes later. phleshdef Sep 2013 #240
Until he goes back on that again. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #241
I really don't care about John Kerry's train of thought problems. phleshdef Sep 2013 #243
It is just called an "Operation" now. The word "War" is just too generic. indie9197 Sep 2013 #62
Kinda like saying it's not rape if he just puts the tip in. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #66
K&R EXCELLENT Carolina Sep 2013 #78
Brazen Orwellian bullshit. woo me with science Sep 2013 #70
And what if Assad sinks one of our ships in retaliation? Is it war then? Xithras Sep 2013 #73
And that is the $64,000.00 question warrant46 Sep 2013 #86
Range differential ....... oldhippie Sep 2013 #157
I realize that. Xithras Sep 2013 #206
That depends on what the meaning of the word "war" is. KamaAina Sep 2013 #76
Yes it is going to war, and I'm against it. Shrike47 Sep 2013 #80
It IS a War Crime, though. Demeter Sep 2013 #84
HAHA! Von Clauswitz: "War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will." grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #87
Kerry keeps referring to "the opposition" as if it was some cohesive whole cali Sep 2013 #89
I just know that somewhere in this thread, where I can't see it, is someone saying MisterP Sep 2013 #90
Kerry should, of all people, know better DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #95
Yes, Kerry is...increasingly embarrassing. What a farce. chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #97
Obama is not looking for a way out then? I had hoped he threw this in their court Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #98
interesting....putting the house in a bigger spot than what they are now madrchsod Sep 2013 #106
actually he's right-- it's terrorism.... mike_c Sep 2013 #108
Isn't the unprovoked dropping of BOMBS on the assets of a foreign country... bvar22 Sep 2013 #110
''Speaking of people who...... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #112
Really? Bombing other countries is not "Going to war"? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #116
Uh huh..sounds like 'we make our own reality' MichiganVote Sep 2013 #117
Maybe we could just drop Joe the liar Lieberman on Syria. JEB Sep 2013 #118
The John Kerry of 1971 is dead. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #120
Not for us. He'a actually right about that. But for the Syrians, well ... BlueStreak Sep 2013 #123
I think it has more to do with common usage - most short duration military actions are not called "w karynnj Sep 2013 #124
You are right (about the spelling) cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #156
That's easy to say when you're dropping the bombs Jack Rabbit Sep 2013 #131
The slippery slope. Once people rationalize the use of drone strikes, it easy to justify snagglepuss Sep 2013 #135
Ahahahaha LittleBlue Sep 2013 #136
Has he been talking to McCain? AsahinaKimi Sep 2013 #138
It ain't a welcome wagon either, Kerry! nt valerief Sep 2013 #147
What is it, random homicide performed by a state without authorization? rug Sep 2013 #151
Chris Murphy's comments are nice counterweight to Kerry's hysterical swipes Catherina Sep 2013 #161
Hey its all relative: compared to a nuclear strike (something the Isreali's have not taken off the.. marble falls Sep 2013 #162
I'm fairly certain that if another country decided to drop a bomb on one of our military bases, Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #164
Kerry, making zero sense a few minutes ago. WMD mixing is so dishonest. Catherina Sep 2013 #169
Respectful, fuck you Secretary. morningfog Sep 2013 #171
Whatever, your ignorane is bliss I suppose.n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #175
An impressively disgraceful performance. cali Sep 2013 #179
WTF sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #181
... WTF?... idwiyo Sep 2013 #182
It is a war crime without UN approval. roamer65 Sep 2013 #186
GawdAlmighty!!! I read that subject line and I thought, "Is he all right? Maybe he has some truth2power Sep 2013 #191
Notice he says "OIHER countries"? But what if someone bombs the USA? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #194
We've sold Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan skillions of $$$ worth of weapons. Flatulo Sep 2013 #198
If someone lobs a few in our country, we won't interpret it as an act of war, right, Mr. Secretary? CrispyQ Sep 2013 #208
If our government starts using WMDs on our own population... then no, it wouldn't be. phleshdef Sep 2013 #213
I get it. Because we used our WMD on other populations, we can still hold the moral high ground. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #230
No one had the balls to call us out on it. phleshdef Sep 2013 #232
So might makes right. Got it. --nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #237
No. But the UN ignoring violations of the chemical weapons ban doesn't make right either. phleshdef Sep 2013 #239
More and more I come to realize he only looked good 'cause of who he was running against Scootaloo Sep 2013 #211
Wow n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #222
Bombs Are For Peace jsr Sep 2013 #225
Arc Light warrant46 Sep 2013 #257
He's making a fool of himself fujiyama Sep 2013 #228
Breathtaking doublespeak. I'm just stunned. myrna minx Sep 2013 #242
That pipeline must be damn vital, that's all I gotta say. nt silvershadow Sep 2013 #244
Never have I been as disappointed in two people in the post WWII-era as indepat Sep 2013 #247
Maybe all the botox he used to immobilize his face arikara Sep 2013 #249
WAR HAWK blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #250
. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #267
'Going to,' maybe not.....'being at'....yeah, probably.... Wounded Bear Sep 2013 #251
'Acts of War' only become war if they shoot back... n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #252
Really? Then why did we go to Afghanistan after 9/11? Cleita Sep 2013 #253
Is that what we said when the germans bombed pearl harbor? liberal N proud Sep 2013 #255
Who bombed Pearl Harbor? Cleita Sep 2013 #263
I know, I was just doing my belishi imitation liberal N proud Sep 2013 #264
Hookay! Cleita Sep 2013 #265
Talk about losing your credibility. CanonRay Sep 2013 #259
Killing is war bobclark86 Sep 2013 #260
I'm still gaping at his "Arab nations will pay for our invasion" DirkGently Sep 2013 #266
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