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cthulu2016

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71. Yes, it is going to war.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:08 PM
Sep 2013

As to your second question, who gives a shit? That isn't the topic of the OP.

If you think that "ground war" is the new definition of "war" then add it to the Newspeak dictionary. (And good luck telling the UK that neither the Battle of Britain nor Trafalgar were real war!)


:-( nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #1
it would be for me if I were targeted and my family killed. kerry is a sell out. roguevalley Sep 2013 #233
Orwell would be proud, Mr. Kerry. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #2
Remember that time in 1941 when Japan didn't go to war with the US? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #246
Perfect response. n/t Psephos Sep 2013 #254
Nope, doesn't look like war to me at all. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #268
dropping bombs on the assets of the government of a foreign country for the purpose of punishing .. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #3
That is as may be, but you you suggesting it isn't war? cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #9
Who cares about semantics? It will be a military intervention with no boots on the ground. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #20
Unless Al-Nusra gets hold of some chemical weapons, as Kerry explained /nt jakeXT Sep 2013 #24
Nothing is 100% proof. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #29
We don't have anything certain in terms of proof. So do we need to rush to war - throwing bombs avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #245
Which as Kerry did not say could happen if we attack or not karynnj Sep 2013 #129
John Kerry cares about semantics, that's who. Iggo Sep 2013 #35
Im not posting here to defend Kerrys words. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #40
I know why you are posting here. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #152
As I said down stream, it's a apparently not war when AllyCat Sep 2013 #248
If it were Russia or China we were talking about would you still be chomping at the bit Bandit Sep 2013 #203
This is not about punishing the country. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #261
God save us from you oh so "moral" avengers. delrem Sep 2013 #256
did we declare war in Kosovo? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44
The Kosovo War? Iggo Sep 2013 #65
Until Bill Clinton stepped up the game.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #122
And what was my premise again? Iggo Sep 2013 #127
Otherwise he wouldn't be bending over backwards to convince you that it's not war. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #130
You're right. I'm wrong. Iggo Sep 2013 #144
Look at the knots they're twisting themselves into LittleBlue Sep 2013 #139
Crazy, isn't it? Iggo Sep 2013 #145
I bet its amusing to you. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #262
OFFS progressoid Sep 2013 #226
It matters to those of us that fight these non-wars tazkcmo Sep 2013 #150
And then this afternoon in his testimony Kerry couldn't even completely rule out totodeinhere Sep 2013 #201
That's right. This is step one of a many step program called "regime change". delrem Sep 2013 #258
Push button war! What could be more video game-like? AllyCat Sep 2013 #235
Bye. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #236
we've had some monsters in the Carolina Sep 2013 #52
So Assads is not who we thought he was. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #58
Oh puhleeze Carolina Sep 2013 #63
Yes we do. The whole world apparently does. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #85
yeah right, and that's why the whole world Carolina Sep 2013 #103
LOL!... darkangel218 Sep 2013 #107
yeah Carolina Sep 2013 #109
So are yours about ignoring WMDs and genocide. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #111
So when the CIA Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #148
Did you read my posts? i said two wrongs dont make a right. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #168
And you couldn't be any happier. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #180
So why were you against the Iraq war? tazkcmo Sep 2013 #163
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #219
And now the LOLing tazkcmo Sep 2013 #158
it's become evident that Kerry is not who we thought he was either. frylock Sep 2013 #88
He is exactly who i thought he was. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #92
well good for you! frylock Sep 2013 #100
She owns stock. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #165
Interesting, so the Kerrys are war profiteers. Ocelot Sep 2013 #188
Get it right! tazkcmo Sep 2013 #190
"Not who we thought he was?" mazzarro Sep 2013 #126
Yes, he is not someone who can change their way. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #133
Again, Blind Eye tazkcmo Sep 2013 #155
Assad was NOT "our" guy, he war Russia's and Iran's karynnj Sep 2013 #132
I thought he was Nancy Pelosi's guy. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #204
No - he wasn't. karynnj Sep 2013 #218
So if speaking to countries we are not in agreement is a good thing, and I agree that it is, totodeinhere Sep 2013 #223
Really Carolina Sep 2013 #221
Genocide? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #64
Ask the people of Afganistan or Iraq if the bombing or killing ever stops. Dawgs Sep 2013 #82
...which they admit the bombing will not do.... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #91
Dropping bombs on anyone, regardless of reason, is an act of war.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #128
How do you know Assad is a monster? zeemike Sep 2013 #140
Take a look at the footage of his" work." darkangel218 Sep 2013 #143
So you saw him launching the weapons? zeemike Sep 2013 #159
Lol. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #166
No tazkcmo Sep 2013 #177
There is no hyperbole at all...I was dead serious zeemike Sep 2013 #207
Moved to a new thread I see. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #142
What a tool. whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #4
I am not surprised he made this ridiculous assertion. JRLeft Sep 2013 #5
Technically I would think that qualifies as an act of war Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #6
People dying aren't people dying. Makes sense Autumn Sep 2013 #7
The department of death determines what is and isn't war. JRLeft Sep 2013 #12
Disgraceful. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #8
Yeah he does....and that "SOB" served his country VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #47
Need someone have served in the military to have an opinion? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #68
no but it means that you deserve more than to be called an SOB for having one... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #113
Donald Rumsfeld served in the US Navy LittleBlue Sep 2013 #141
With Donald Rumsfeld....we found out he WAS wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #149
Respect is eanred tazkcmo Sep 2013 #174
Know who else served in the military? These guys! MNBrewer Sep 2013 #197
opinion is the Carolina Sep 2013 #69
Oh and now he is a "fucktard" because he has an opinion that is different than yours? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #114
He knows what going to war is Bradical79 Sep 2013 #176
What if another country bombs the US? Would we not regard it as an act of war? Orrex Sep 2013 #10
Should we have viewed Pearl Harbor differently? broiles Sep 2013 #23
+1 David Krout Sep 2013 #146
It flies in the face of common sense. David__77 Sep 2013 #11
If we had killer robots we could avoid "going to war" altogether cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #13
It's code for: "It will only kill THEM and not US." David__77 Sep 2013 #18
and if he takes out Assad's chemical weapons...will you eat your words? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #50
chemical weapons that came from the Carolina Sep 2013 #60
So? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #121
Bombing Assad's chemical weapons stocks won't "take them out." totodeinhere Sep 2013 #119
We have been working on methods to neutralize them for over a decade.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #185
I would have disagreed with you before Kerry opened his big mouth. But since totodeinhere Sep 2013 #199
before you opened "your big mouth" you mean? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #200
Isn't that what forums like this are for? n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #202
then wasn't the hearing where John Kerry was supposed to open his? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #205
The difference is that I am an Internet poster. On the other hand Mr. Kerry totodeinhere Sep 2013 #217
Take 'em out where? tazkcmo Sep 2013 #183
When one country bombs another country, it is an act of war The Second Stone Sep 2013 #14
Who actually believes that bullshit? kentuck Sep 2013 #15
Notice he says "OIHER countries"? But we know if someone bombs the USA? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #196
An act of war is "not going to war." ProSense Sep 2013 #16
Fuck yes! What sort of MORON did not consider cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #22
Ridiculous. Clinton took those actions without even consulting Congress, and most ProSense Sep 2013 #26
Prosense: What sort of MORON considers a drone strike "going to war?" cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #33
So if a drone strike ProSense Sep 2013 #53
Yes, it is going to war. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #71
That's absolute nonsense. Taking out a building is not the same as a ground war. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #72
Wowza! That's Baghdad Bob territory. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #79
"The phrase 'ground war' is not part of this OP" ProSense Sep 2013 #83
On who's part? Fuddnik Sep 2013 #102
Love how you make shit up. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #187
Kerry Won’t Rule Out Ground Troops Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #96
Good point worth repeating: KERRY WON’T RULE OUT GROUND TROOPS AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #105
But they aren't really ground troops tazkcmo Sep 2013 #189
Spinning like a tornado. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #77
Well that is exactly what Japan did at Pearl Harbor. zeemike Sep 2013 #154
It would be if it was our big building tazkcmo Sep 2013 #172
actually, pro, only a MORON or abject partisan APOLOGIST cali Sep 2013 #41
"No, drone strikes or cruise missiles are not the same as a ground war." ProSense Sep 2013 #55
But Kerry didn't say "ground war" tazkcmo Sep 2013 #192
Once we drop bombs, we are at "war" avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #104
You are haggling over mere semantics. Whether it's committing an act of war or going to war totodeinhere Sep 2013 #125
Blowing up people or things on another nation's soil is going to war. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #137
I hesitate to ask how you would define an act of sex. rug Sep 2013 #153
I'm sure he appreciates tazkcmo Sep 2013 #167
Yes. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #170
Spin, Level: Noah Webster. nt Union Scribe Sep 2013 #234
I guess the "I was for it before I was against it" criticism had some validity. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #17
Kerry does such a good job playing the peacenik, that I forget he's a big fraud. reformist2 Sep 2013 #19
Words are funny things, Mr. Kerry. Avalux Sep 2013 #21
So who decided that America has some fivine right to punish sovereign countries malaise Sep 2013 #25
You thought he has been speaking for someone/thing other than the administration? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #27
Sad indeed fadedrose Sep 2013 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #224
I think it may have been Gen. Zini that mentioned that we're short on troops... fadedrose Sep 2013 #229
Attacking a sovereign nation's military and populace is NOT an act of war? Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #30
It's an act of...... (scrabbles through dictuionary, throws it away) PATRIOTISM. sibelian Sep 2013 #227
:headoven: WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #31
Kerry obviously has no respect for Americans if he thinks we'll LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #32
Technically, Bush 43 didn't "go to war" with Iraq, either derby378 Sep 2013 #34
It was sure as hell "WAR!" when Iraq bombed the World Trade Center. MindPilot Sep 2013 #36
He sounds like Kissinger in fact Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #37
I have hated John Kerry since he refused to call out the Republicans' lies on the Iraq war. The Stranger Sep 2013 #38
Touche, Stranger Carolina Sep 2013 #75
I don't care what they want to call it... Triana Sep 2013 #39
Oh no! Where was this school tragedy :( Truthful, poignant rant Catherina Sep 2013 #94
Newtown... Triana Sep 2013 #134
Oh :( Catherina Sep 2013 #160
Righteous rant, Triana. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #178
I totally agree Oilwellian Sep 2013 #210
This should be an OP. Spot on. Celefin Sep 2013 #231
What happened to the John Kerry we once knew? Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #42
He voted for the Iraq war. same guy as always. JRLeft Sep 2013 #45
I was asking about this one: Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #54
He retired. JRLeft Sep 2013 #59
He got elected. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #193
Tell that to Cambodia. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Sep 2013 #184
The hearing is an amazing display of HUBRIS... polichick Sep 2013 #46
there's a lot of stupid mixed in with the propaganda too. cali Sep 2013 #51
I just hope these events wake up some Dem voters. polichick Sep 2013 #61
what a load of Carolina Sep 2013 #48
Why not call it an joelz Sep 2013 #49
"We have to drop bombs on civilians to keep civilians from being killed" HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #56
I feel you are being deliberately obtuse. You know what he means and so do most other people. phleshdef Sep 2013 #57
+1 onenote Sep 2013 #67
I feel you are being deliberately weird. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #74
Nope, not really. phleshdef Sep 2013 #81
The key phrase in your post is "Americans perceive". Dawgs Sep 2013 #93
Its not simple or black and white at all. phleshdef Sep 2013 #101
It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months. frylock Sep 2013 #99
That's the line that keeps running through my head... woo me with science Sep 2013 #115
Kerry is trying to semantic around his war crime in action. morningfog Sep 2013 #173
War crimes? Seriously? phleshdef Sep 2013 #209
Illegal acts of war are war crimes. morningfog Sep 2013 #220
He said it tazkcmo Sep 2013 #195
Using Pearl Harbor as an argument is downright idiotic. phleshdef Sep 2013 #212
Every bit as legitimate tazkcmo Sep 2013 #214
No, not even close. phleshdef Sep 2013 #215
This isn't about if we do or don't tazkcmo Sep 2013 #216
Except that Kerry admits he can't promise no boots Union Scribe Sep 2013 #238
And then he ruled them out like 5 minutes later. phleshdef Sep 2013 #240
Until he goes back on that again. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #241
I really don't care about John Kerry's train of thought problems. phleshdef Sep 2013 #243
It is just called an "Operation" now. The word "War" is just too generic. indie9197 Sep 2013 #62
Kinda like saying it's not rape if he just puts the tip in. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #66
K&R EXCELLENT Carolina Sep 2013 #78
Brazen Orwellian bullshit. woo me with science Sep 2013 #70
And what if Assad sinks one of our ships in retaliation? Is it war then? Xithras Sep 2013 #73
And that is the $64,000.00 question warrant46 Sep 2013 #86
Range differential ....... oldhippie Sep 2013 #157
I realize that. Xithras Sep 2013 #206
That depends on what the meaning of the word "war" is. KamaAina Sep 2013 #76
Yes it is going to war, and I'm against it. Shrike47 Sep 2013 #80
It IS a War Crime, though. Demeter Sep 2013 #84
HAHA! Von Clauswitz: "War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will." grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #87
Kerry keeps referring to "the opposition" as if it was some cohesive whole cali Sep 2013 #89
I just know that somewhere in this thread, where I can't see it, is someone saying MisterP Sep 2013 #90
Kerry should, of all people, know better DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #95
Yes, Kerry is...increasingly embarrassing. What a farce. chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #97
Obama is not looking for a way out then? I had hoped he threw this in their court Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #98
interesting....putting the house in a bigger spot than what they are now madrchsod Sep 2013 #106
actually he's right-- it's terrorism.... mike_c Sep 2013 #108
Isn't the unprovoked dropping of BOMBS on the assets of a foreign country... bvar22 Sep 2013 #110
''Speaking of people who...... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #112
Really? Bombing other countries is not "Going to war"? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #116
Uh huh..sounds like 'we make our own reality' MichiganVote Sep 2013 #117
Maybe we could just drop Joe the liar Lieberman on Syria. JEB Sep 2013 #118
The John Kerry of 1971 is dead. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #120
Not for us. He'a actually right about that. But for the Syrians, well ... BlueStreak Sep 2013 #123
I think it has more to do with common usage - most short duration military actions are not called "w karynnj Sep 2013 #124
You are right (about the spelling) cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #156
That's easy to say when you're dropping the bombs Jack Rabbit Sep 2013 #131
The slippery slope. Once people rationalize the use of drone strikes, it easy to justify snagglepuss Sep 2013 #135
Ahahahaha LittleBlue Sep 2013 #136
Has he been talking to McCain? AsahinaKimi Sep 2013 #138
It ain't a welcome wagon either, Kerry! nt valerief Sep 2013 #147
What is it, random homicide performed by a state without authorization? rug Sep 2013 #151
Chris Murphy's comments are nice counterweight to Kerry's hysterical swipes Catherina Sep 2013 #161
Hey its all relative: compared to a nuclear strike (something the Isreali's have not taken off the.. marble falls Sep 2013 #162
I'm fairly certain that if another country decided to drop a bomb on one of our military bases, Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #164
Kerry, making zero sense a few minutes ago. WMD mixing is so dishonest. Catherina Sep 2013 #169
Respectful, fuck you Secretary. morningfog Sep 2013 #171
Whatever, your ignorane is bliss I suppose.n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #175
An impressively disgraceful performance. cali Sep 2013 #179
WTF sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #181
... WTF?... idwiyo Sep 2013 #182
It is a war crime without UN approval. roamer65 Sep 2013 #186
GawdAlmighty!!! I read that subject line and I thought, "Is he all right? Maybe he has some truth2power Sep 2013 #191
Notice he says "OIHER countries"? But what if someone bombs the USA? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #194
We've sold Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan skillions of $$$ worth of weapons. Flatulo Sep 2013 #198
If someone lobs a few in our country, we won't interpret it as an act of war, right, Mr. Secretary? CrispyQ Sep 2013 #208
If our government starts using WMDs on our own population... then no, it wouldn't be. phleshdef Sep 2013 #213
I get it. Because we used our WMD on other populations, we can still hold the moral high ground. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #230
No one had the balls to call us out on it. phleshdef Sep 2013 #232
So might makes right. Got it. --nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #237
No. But the UN ignoring violations of the chemical weapons ban doesn't make right either. phleshdef Sep 2013 #239
More and more I come to realize he only looked good 'cause of who he was running against Scootaloo Sep 2013 #211
Wow n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #222
Bombs Are For Peace jsr Sep 2013 #225
Arc Light warrant46 Sep 2013 #257
He's making a fool of himself fujiyama Sep 2013 #228
Breathtaking doublespeak. I'm just stunned. myrna minx Sep 2013 #242
That pipeline must be damn vital, that's all I gotta say. nt silvershadow Sep 2013 #244
Never have I been as disappointed in two people in the post WWII-era as indepat Sep 2013 #247
Maybe all the botox he used to immobilize his face arikara Sep 2013 #249
WAR HAWK blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #250
. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #267
'Going to,' maybe not.....'being at'....yeah, probably.... Wounded Bear Sep 2013 #251
'Acts of War' only become war if they shoot back... n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #252
Really? Then why did we go to Afghanistan after 9/11? Cleita Sep 2013 #253
Is that what we said when the germans bombed pearl harbor? liberal N proud Sep 2013 #255
Who bombed Pearl Harbor? Cleita Sep 2013 #263
I know, I was just doing my belishi imitation liberal N proud Sep 2013 #264
Hookay! Cleita Sep 2013 #265
Talk about losing your credibility. CanonRay Sep 2013 #259
Killing is war bobclark86 Sep 2013 #260
I'm still gaping at his "Arab nations will pay for our invasion" DirkGently Sep 2013 #266
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