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128. Dropping bombs on anyone, regardless of reason, is an act of war....

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:11 PM

Sep 2013

it may be justifiable war but it is war. No discussion around semantics is needed.

Here is the definition of "war" from Dictionary.com

war1 [wawr] Show IPA noun, verb, warred, war·ring, adjective
noun
1.
a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2.
a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
3.
a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.
4.
armed fighting, as a science, profession, activity, or art; methods or principles of waging armed conflict: War is the soldier's business.
5.
active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

Dropping bombs or shooting missiles involves a force of arms by one party on another.

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Kerry: Bombing other countries is not "Going to war." [View all] cthulu2016 Sep 2013 OP

:-( nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #1

it would be for me if I were targeted and my family killed. kerry is a sell out. roguevalley Sep 2013 #233

Orwell would be proud, Mr. Kerry. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #2

Remember that time in 1941 when Japan didn't go to war with the US? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #246

Perfect response. n/t Psephos Sep 2013 #254

Nope, doesn't look like war to me at all. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #268

dropping bombs on the assets of the government of a foreign country for the purpose of punishing .. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #3

That is as may be, but you you suggesting it isn't war? cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #9

Who cares about semantics? It will be a military intervention with no boots on the ground. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #20

Unless Al-Nusra gets hold of some chemical weapons, as Kerry explained /nt jakeXT Sep 2013 #24

Nothing is 100% proof. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #29

We don't have anything certain in terms of proof. So do we need to rush to war - throwing bombs avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #245

Which as Kerry did not say could happen if we attack or not karynnj Sep 2013 #129

John Kerry cares about semantics, that's who. Iggo Sep 2013 #35

Im not posting here to defend Kerrys words. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #40

I know why you are posting here. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #152

As I said down stream, it's a apparently not war when AllyCat Sep 2013 #248

If it were Russia or China we were talking about would you still be chomping at the bit Bandit Sep 2013 #203

This is not about punishing the country. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #261

God save us from you oh so "moral" avengers. delrem Sep 2013 #256

did we declare war in Kosovo? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #44

The Kosovo War? Iggo Sep 2013 #65

Until Bill Clinton stepped up the game.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #122

And what was my premise again? Iggo Sep 2013 #127

Otherwise he wouldn't be bending over backwards to convince you that it's not war. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #130

You're right. I'm wrong. Iggo Sep 2013 #144

Look at the knots they're twisting themselves into LittleBlue Sep 2013 #139

Crazy, isn't it? Iggo Sep 2013 #145

I bet its amusing to you. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #262

OFFS progressoid Sep 2013 #226

It matters to those of us that fight these non-wars tazkcmo Sep 2013 #150

And then this afternoon in his testimony Kerry couldn't even completely rule out totodeinhere Sep 2013 #201

That's right. This is step one of a many step program called "regime change". delrem Sep 2013 #258

Push button war! What could be more video game-like? AllyCat Sep 2013 #235

Bye. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #236

we've had some monsters in the Carolina Sep 2013 #52

So Assads is not who we thought he was. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #58

Oh puhleeze Carolina Sep 2013 #63

Yes we do. The whole world apparently does. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #85

yeah right, and that's why the whole world Carolina Sep 2013 #103

LOL!... darkangel218 Sep 2013 #107

yeah Carolina Sep 2013 #109

So are yours about ignoring WMDs and genocide. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #111

So when the CIA Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #148

Did you read my posts? i said two wrongs dont make a right. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #168

And you couldn't be any happier. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #180

So why were you against the Iraq war? tazkcmo Sep 2013 #163

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #219

And now the LOLing tazkcmo Sep 2013 #158

it's become evident that Kerry is not who we thought he was either. frylock Sep 2013 #88

He is exactly who i thought he was. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #92

well good for you! frylock Sep 2013 #100

She owns stock. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #165

Interesting, so the Kerrys are war profiteers. Ocelot Sep 2013 #188

Get it right! tazkcmo Sep 2013 #190

"Not who we thought he was?" mazzarro Sep 2013 #126

Yes, he is not someone who can change their way. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #133

Again, Blind Eye tazkcmo Sep 2013 #155

Assad was NOT "our" guy, he war Russia's and Iran's karynnj Sep 2013 #132

I thought he was Nancy Pelosi's guy. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #204

No - he wasn't. karynnj Sep 2013 #218

So if speaking to countries we are not in agreement is a good thing, and I agree that it is, totodeinhere Sep 2013 #223

Really Carolina Sep 2013 #221

Genocide? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #64

Ask the people of Afganistan or Iraq if the bombing or killing ever stops. Dawgs Sep 2013 #82

...which they admit the bombing will not do.... grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #91

Dropping bombs on anyone, regardless of reason, is an act of war.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2013 #128

How do you know Assad is a monster? zeemike Sep 2013 #140

Take a look at the footage of his" work." darkangel218 Sep 2013 #143

So you saw him launching the weapons? zeemike Sep 2013 #159

Lol. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #166

No tazkcmo Sep 2013 #177

There is no hyperbole at all...I was dead serious zeemike Sep 2013 #207

Moved to a new thread I see. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #142

What a tool. whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #4

I am not surprised he made this ridiculous assertion. JRLeft Sep 2013 #5

Technically I would think that qualifies as an act of war Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #6

People dying aren't people dying. Makes sense Autumn Sep 2013 #7

The department of death determines what is and isn't war. JRLeft Sep 2013 #12

Disgraceful. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #8

Yeah he does....and that "SOB" served his country VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #47

Need someone have served in the military to have an opinion? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #68

no but it means that you deserve more than to be called an SOB for having one... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #113

Donald Rumsfeld served in the US Navy LittleBlue Sep 2013 #141

With Donald Rumsfeld....we found out he WAS wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #149

Respect is eanred tazkcmo Sep 2013 #174

Know who else served in the military? These guys! MNBrewer Sep 2013 #197

opinion is the Carolina Sep 2013 #69

Oh and now he is a "fucktard" because he has an opinion that is different than yours? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #114

He knows what going to war is Bradical79 Sep 2013 #176

What if another country bombs the US? Would we not regard it as an act of war? Orrex Sep 2013 #10

Should we have viewed Pearl Harbor differently? broiles Sep 2013 #23

+1 David Krout Sep 2013 #146

It flies in the face of common sense. David__77 Sep 2013 #11

If we had killer robots we could avoid "going to war" altogether cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #13

It's code for: "It will only kill THEM and not US." David__77 Sep 2013 #18

and if he takes out Assad's chemical weapons...will you eat your words? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #50

chemical weapons that came from the Carolina Sep 2013 #60

So? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #121

Bombing Assad's chemical weapons stocks won't "take them out." totodeinhere Sep 2013 #119

We have been working on methods to neutralize them for over a decade.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #185

I would have disagreed with you before Kerry opened his big mouth. But since totodeinhere Sep 2013 #199

before you opened "your big mouth" you mean? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #200

Isn't that what forums like this are for? n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #202

then wasn't the hearing where John Kerry was supposed to open his? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #205

The difference is that I am an Internet poster. On the other hand Mr. Kerry totodeinhere Sep 2013 #217

Take 'em out where? tazkcmo Sep 2013 #183

When one country bombs another country, it is an act of war The Second Stone Sep 2013 #14

Who actually believes that bullshit? kentuck Sep 2013 #15

Notice he says "OIHER countries"? But we know if someone bombs the USA? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #196

An act of war is "not going to war." ProSense Sep 2013 #16

Fuck yes! What sort of MORON did not consider cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #22

Ridiculous. Clinton took those actions without even consulting Congress, and most ProSense Sep 2013 #26

Prosense: What sort of MORON considers a drone strike "going to war?" cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #33

So if a drone strike ProSense Sep 2013 #53

Yes, it is going to war. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #71

That's absolute nonsense. Taking out a building is not the same as a ground war. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #72

Wowza! That's Baghdad Bob territory. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #79

"The phrase 'ground war' is not part of this OP" ProSense Sep 2013 #83

On who's part? Fuddnik Sep 2013 #102

Love how you make shit up. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #187

Kerry Won�t Rule Out Ground Troops Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #96

Good point worth repeating: KERRY WON�T RULE OUT GROUND TROOPS AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #105

But they aren't really ground troops tazkcmo Sep 2013 #189

Spinning like a tornado. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #77

Well that is exactly what Japan did at Pearl Harbor. zeemike Sep 2013 #154

It would be if it was our big building tazkcmo Sep 2013 #172

actually, pro, only a MORON or abject partisan APOLOGIST cali Sep 2013 #41

"No, drone strikes or cruise missiles are not the same as a ground war." ProSense Sep 2013 #55

But Kerry didn't say "ground war" tazkcmo Sep 2013 #192

Once we drop bombs, we are at "war" avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #104

You are haggling over mere semantics. Whether it's committing an act of war or going to war totodeinhere Sep 2013 #125

Blowing up people or things on another nation's soil is going to war. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #137

I hesitate to ask how you would define an act of sex. rug Sep 2013 #153

I'm sure he appreciates tazkcmo Sep 2013 #167

Yes. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2013 #170

Spin, Level: Noah Webster. nt Union Scribe Sep 2013 #234

I guess the "I was for it before I was against it" criticism had some validity. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #17

Kerry does such a good job playing the peacenik, that I forget he's a big fraud. reformist2 Sep 2013 #19

Words are funny things, Mr. Kerry. Avalux Sep 2013 #21

So who decided that America has some fivine right to punish sovereign countries malaise Sep 2013 #25

You thought he has been speaking for someone/thing other than the administration? NCTraveler Sep 2013 #27

Sad indeed fadedrose Sep 2013 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #224

I think it may have been Gen. Zini that mentioned that we're short on troops... fadedrose Sep 2013 #229

Attacking a sovereign nation's military and populace is NOT an act of war? Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #30

It's an act of...... (scrabbles through dictuionary, throws it away) PATRIOTISM. sibelian Sep 2013 #227

:headoven: WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #31

Kerry obviously has no respect for Americans if he thinks we'll LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #32

Technically, Bush 43 didn't "go to war" with Iraq, either derby378 Sep 2013 #34

It was sure as hell "WAR!" when Iraq bombed the World Trade Center. MindPilot Sep 2013 #36

He sounds like Kissinger in fact Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #37

I have hated John Kerry since he refused to call out the Republicans' lies on the Iraq war. The Stranger Sep 2013 #38

Touche, Stranger Carolina Sep 2013 #75

I don't care what they want to call it... Triana Sep 2013 #39

Oh no! Where was this school tragedy :( Truthful, poignant rant Catherina Sep 2013 #94

Newtown... Triana Sep 2013 #134

Oh :( Catherina Sep 2013 #160

Righteous rant, Triana. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #178

I totally agree Oilwellian Sep 2013 #210

This should be an OP. Spot on. Celefin Sep 2013 #231

What happened to the John Kerry we once knew? Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #42

He voted for the Iraq war. same guy as always. JRLeft Sep 2013 #45

I was asking about this one: Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #54

He retired. JRLeft Sep 2013 #59

He got elected. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #193

Tell that to Cambodia. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Sep 2013 #184

The hearing is an amazing display of HUBRIS... polichick Sep 2013 #46

there's a lot of stupid mixed in with the propaganda too. cali Sep 2013 #51

I just hope these events wake up some Dem voters. polichick Sep 2013 #61

what a load of Carolina Sep 2013 #48

Why not call it an joelz Sep 2013 #49

"We have to drop bombs on civilians to keep civilians from being killed" HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #56

I feel you are being deliberately obtuse. You know what he means and so do most other people. phleshdef Sep 2013 #57

+1 onenote Sep 2013 #67

I feel you are being deliberately weird. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #74

Nope, not really. phleshdef Sep 2013 #81

The key phrase in your post is "Americans perceive". Dawgs Sep 2013 #93

Its not simple or black and white at all. phleshdef Sep 2013 #101

It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months. frylock Sep 2013 #99

That's the line that keeps running through my head... woo me with science Sep 2013 #115

Kerry is trying to semantic around his war crime in action. morningfog Sep 2013 #173

War crimes? Seriously? phleshdef Sep 2013 #209

Illegal acts of war are war crimes. morningfog Sep 2013 #220

He said it tazkcmo Sep 2013 #195

Using Pearl Harbor as an argument is downright idiotic. phleshdef Sep 2013 #212

Every bit as legitimate tazkcmo Sep 2013 #214

No, not even close. phleshdef Sep 2013 #215

This isn't about if we do or don't tazkcmo Sep 2013 #216

Except that Kerry admits he can't promise no boots Union Scribe Sep 2013 #238

And then he ruled them out like 5 minutes later. phleshdef Sep 2013 #240

Until he goes back on that again. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #241

I really don't care about John Kerry's train of thought problems. phleshdef Sep 2013 #243

It is just called an "Operation" now. The word "War" is just too generic. indie9197 Sep 2013 #62

Kinda like saying it's not rape if he just puts the tip in. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #66

K&R EXCELLENT Carolina Sep 2013 #78

Brazen Orwellian bullshit. woo me with science Sep 2013 #70

And what if Assad sinks one of our ships in retaliation? Is it war then? Xithras Sep 2013 #73

And that is the $64,000.00 question warrant46 Sep 2013 #86

Range differential ....... oldhippie Sep 2013 #157

I realize that. Xithras Sep 2013 #206

That depends on what the meaning of the word "war" is. KamaAina Sep 2013 #76

Yes it is going to war, and I'm against it. Shrike47 Sep 2013 #80

It IS a War Crime, though. Demeter Sep 2013 #84

HAHA! Von Clauswitz: "War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will." grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #87

Kerry keeps referring to "the opposition" as if it was some cohesive whole cali Sep 2013 #89

I just know that somewhere in this thread, where I can't see it, is someone saying MisterP Sep 2013 #90

Kerry should, of all people, know better DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #95

Yes, Kerry is...increasingly embarrassing. What a farce. chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #97

Obama is not looking for a way out then? I had hoped he threw this in their court Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #98

interesting....putting the house in a bigger spot than what they are now madrchsod Sep 2013 #106

actually he's right-- it's terrorism.... mike_c Sep 2013 #108

Isn't the unprovoked dropping of BOMBS on the assets of a foreign country... bvar22 Sep 2013 #110

''Speaking of people who...... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #112

Really? Bombing other countries is not "Going to war"? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #116

Uh huh..sounds like 'we make our own reality' MichiganVote Sep 2013 #117

Maybe we could just drop Joe the liar Lieberman on Syria. JEB Sep 2013 #118

The John Kerry of 1971 is dead. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #120

Not for us. He'a actually right about that. But for the Syrians, well ... BlueStreak Sep 2013 #123

I think it has more to do with common usage - most short duration military actions are not called "w karynnj Sep 2013 #124

You are right (about the spelling) cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #156

That's easy to say when you're dropping the bombs Jack Rabbit Sep 2013 #131

The slippery slope. Once people rationalize the use of drone strikes, it easy to justify snagglepuss Sep 2013 #135

Ahahahaha LittleBlue Sep 2013 #136

Has he been talking to McCain? AsahinaKimi Sep 2013 #138

It ain't a welcome wagon either, Kerry! nt valerief Sep 2013 #147

What is it, random homicide performed by a state without authorization? rug Sep 2013 #151

Chris Murphy's comments are nice counterweight to Kerry's hysterical swipes Catherina Sep 2013 #161

Hey its all relative: compared to a nuclear strike (something the Isreali's have not taken off the.. marble falls Sep 2013 #162

I'm fairly certain that if another country decided to drop a bomb on one of our military bases, Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #164

Kerry, making zero sense a few minutes ago. WMD mixing is so dishonest. Catherina Sep 2013 #169

Respectful, fuck you Secretary. morningfog Sep 2013 #171

Whatever, your ignorane is bliss I suppose.n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #175

An impressively disgraceful performance. cali Sep 2013 #179

WTF sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #181

... WTF?... idwiyo Sep 2013 #182

It is a war crime without UN approval. roamer65 Sep 2013 #186

GawdAlmighty!!! I read that subject line and I thought, "Is he all right? Maybe he has some truth2power Sep 2013 #191

Notice he says "OIHER countries"? But what if someone bombs the USA? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #194

We've sold Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan skillions of $$$ worth of weapons. Flatulo Sep 2013 #198

If someone lobs a few in our country, we won't interpret it as an act of war, right, Mr. Secretary? CrispyQ Sep 2013 #208

If our government starts using WMDs on our own population... then no, it wouldn't be. phleshdef Sep 2013 #213

I get it. Because we used our WMD on other populations, we can still hold the moral high ground. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #230

No one had the balls to call us out on it. phleshdef Sep 2013 #232

So might makes right. Got it. --nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #237

No. But the UN ignoring violations of the chemical weapons ban doesn't make right either. phleshdef Sep 2013 #239

More and more I come to realize he only looked good 'cause of who he was running against Scootaloo Sep 2013 #211

Wow n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #222

Bombs Are For Peace jsr Sep 2013 #225

Arc Light warrant46 Sep 2013 #257

He's making a fool of himself fujiyama Sep 2013 #228

Breathtaking doublespeak. I'm just stunned. myrna minx Sep 2013 #242

That pipeline must be damn vital, that's all I gotta say. nt silvershadow Sep 2013 #244

Never have I been as disappointed in two people in the post WWII-era as indepat Sep 2013 #247

Maybe all the botox he used to immobilize his face arikara Sep 2013 #249

WAR HAWK blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #250

. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #267

'Going to,' maybe not.....'being at'....yeah, probably.... Wounded Bear Sep 2013 #251

'Acts of War' only become war if they shoot back... n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #252

Really? Then why did we go to Afghanistan after 9/11? Cleita Sep 2013 #253

Is that what we said when the germans bombed pearl harbor? liberal N proud Sep 2013 #255

Who bombed Pearl Harbor? Cleita Sep 2013 #263

I know, I was just doing my belishi imitation liberal N proud Sep 2013 #264

Hookay! Cleita Sep 2013 #265

Talk about losing your credibility. CanonRay Sep 2013 #259

Killing is war bobclark86 Sep 2013 #260

I'm still gaping at his "Arab nations will pay for our invasion" DirkGently Sep 2013 #266