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In reply to the discussion: Thread to mourn the passing of the soul of John Kerry [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)81. No, it was a
You know, like when your redneck neighbors decide to burn their broken furniture in the backyard to toast marshmallows on.
Kerry has presented ZERO evidence that Assad carried out the attacks. That in itself should be a 100% non-starter to anyone with a grain of common sense, or an intact memory...especially since this whole scenario reeks of being cribbed from the Cheney-Rumsfeld Iraq playbook
Kerry has presented ZERO evidence that Assad carried out the attacks. That in itself should be a 100% non-starter to anyone with a grain of common sense, or an intact memory...especially since this whole scenario reeks of being cribbed from the Cheney-Rumsfeld Iraq playbook
...smack down of Rand Paul. Just because you don't belive it, doesn't mean it's "zero." It's also not just the U.S. confirming this.
Gas Attack: Germany Offers Clue in Search for Truth in Syria
By Matthias Gebauer
German intelligence agrees with other Western agencies that the Assad regime was behind the Aug. 21 poison gas attack in Syria. One important clue was provided by a telephone conversation intercepted by German agents.
Germany has said in no uncertain terms that it will not participate in a strike on Syria without the backing of the United Nations Security Council. But the country's foreign intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), agrees with the US position which holds Syrian President Bashar Assad responsible for the poison gas attacks near Damascus on Aug. 21. In a secret briefing to select lawmakers on Monday, BND head Gerhard Schindler said that while there is still no incontestable proof, analysis of the evidence at hand has led his intelligence service to believe that Assad's regime is to blame.
In the briefing, Schindler said that only the Assad regime is in possession of binary chemical weapons such as sarin. The BND believes that regime experts would be the only ones capable of manufacturing such weapons and deploying them with small missiles. The BND believes that such weapons had been used several times prior to the attack on Aug. 21, which is believed to have killed more than 1,400 people. Schindler said in the earlier attacks, however, the poison gas mixture was diluted, explaining the much lower death tolls in those assaults.
During his 30-minute presentation, Schindler offered up scenarios to explain why the Assad regime resorted to chemical weapons use, including, he said, the possibility that Assad sees himself involved in a crucial battle for Damascus. The city is besieged by rebel groups, with particular pressure coming from the east. Schindler believes it is possible that the regime ordered the use of poison gas as a way of intimidating the rebels. It could also be the case that errors were made in mixing the gas and it was much more potent than anticipated, he said.
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Schindler also presented an additional clue, one that has not thus far been made public. He said that the BND listened in on a conversation between a high-ranking member of the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which supports Assad and provides his regime with military assistance, and the Iranian Embassy. The Hezbollah functionary, Schindler reported, seems to have admitted that poison gas was used. He said that Assad lost his nerves and made a big mistake by ordering the chemical weapons attack.
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligence-contributes-to-fact-finding-on-syria-gas-attack-a-920123.html
By Matthias Gebauer
German intelligence agrees with other Western agencies that the Assad regime was behind the Aug. 21 poison gas attack in Syria. One important clue was provided by a telephone conversation intercepted by German agents.
Germany has said in no uncertain terms that it will not participate in a strike on Syria without the backing of the United Nations Security Council. But the country's foreign intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), agrees with the US position which holds Syrian President Bashar Assad responsible for the poison gas attacks near Damascus on Aug. 21. In a secret briefing to select lawmakers on Monday, BND head Gerhard Schindler said that while there is still no incontestable proof, analysis of the evidence at hand has led his intelligence service to believe that Assad's regime is to blame.
In the briefing, Schindler said that only the Assad regime is in possession of binary chemical weapons such as sarin. The BND believes that regime experts would be the only ones capable of manufacturing such weapons and deploying them with small missiles. The BND believes that such weapons had been used several times prior to the attack on Aug. 21, which is believed to have killed more than 1,400 people. Schindler said in the earlier attacks, however, the poison gas mixture was diluted, explaining the much lower death tolls in those assaults.
During his 30-minute presentation, Schindler offered up scenarios to explain why the Assad regime resorted to chemical weapons use, including, he said, the possibility that Assad sees himself involved in a crucial battle for Damascus. The city is besieged by rebel groups, with particular pressure coming from the east. Schindler believes it is possible that the regime ordered the use of poison gas as a way of intimidating the rebels. It could also be the case that errors were made in mixing the gas and it was much more potent than anticipated, he said.
<...>
Schindler also presented an additional clue, one that has not thus far been made public. He said that the BND listened in on a conversation between a high-ranking member of the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which supports Assad and provides his regime with military assistance, and the Iranian Embassy. The Hezbollah functionary, Schindler reported, seems to have admitted that poison gas was used. He said that Assad lost his nerves and made a big mistake by ordering the chemical weapons attack.
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligence-contributes-to-fact-finding-on-syria-gas-attack-a-920123.html
France releases new, 'undeniable' evidence against Syria
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It accused the Syrian government of using "extremely lethal" chemical weapons -- including those containing the deadly nerve agent sarin -- on several occasions to sow "terror" among civilian populations.
"These proven attacks have shown that the forces of Bashar Assad's regime adapt their tactics and the munitions in their stocks with the aim of causing terror within the civilian population," the French report said.
"The past events and the simultaneous and massive use of chemical weapons on the night of 21 August 2013 in the eastern suburb of Damascus thus confirm that the Syrian regime has deliberately crossed a line. Our services have information, from a national source, leading us to believe that other actions of this nature could still be carried out."
The attack on was a "massive and coordinated use of chemical agents against the civilian population," it alleged, adding that evidence appeared to confirm an estimated 1,500 deaths.
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http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-france-evidence-syria-20130902,0,1163653.story
It accused the Syrian government of using "extremely lethal" chemical weapons -- including those containing the deadly nerve agent sarin -- on several occasions to sow "terror" among civilian populations.
"These proven attacks have shown that the forces of Bashar Assad's regime adapt their tactics and the munitions in their stocks with the aim of causing terror within the civilian population," the French report said.
"The past events and the simultaneous and massive use of chemical weapons on the night of 21 August 2013 in the eastern suburb of Damascus thus confirm that the Syrian regime has deliberately crossed a line. Our services have information, from a national source, leading us to believe that other actions of this nature could still be carried out."
The attack on was a "massive and coordinated use of chemical agents against the civilian population," it alleged, adding that evidence appeared to confirm an estimated 1,500 deaths.
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http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-france-evidence-syria-20130902,0,1163653.story
Syria: Ban says UN chemical weapons experts working around the clock to analyze evidence
3 September 2013 Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon announced today that all biomedical and environmental samples gathered by United Nations inspectors at sites of possible chemical weapons use in Syria are now arriving at designated laboratories in Europe.
Speaking to the press at UN Headquarters in New York, Mr. Ban said that the Mission, led by Swedish scientist Dr. Åke Sellström, has worked around the clock since returning from Syria over the weekend to prepare the materials it gathered for analysis. All the samples will arrive at the laboratories by tomorrow. "We are doing our utmost to expedite the process," he added.
Since the horrendous attacks in the Ghouta area of Damascus two weeks ago, the (Mission) has been working urgently to establish the facts regarding the nature and extent of any use of chemical weapons, Mr. Ban said, underscoring that, as the first probe of allegations of the use of weapons of mass destruction in the 21st century, the Missions success is in everyones interest.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45760&Cr=syria&Cr1=
3 September 2013 Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon announced today that all biomedical and environmental samples gathered by United Nations inspectors at sites of possible chemical weapons use in Syria are now arriving at designated laboratories in Europe.
Speaking to the press at UN Headquarters in New York, Mr. Ban said that the Mission, led by Swedish scientist Dr. Åke Sellström, has worked around the clock since returning from Syria over the weekend to prepare the materials it gathered for analysis. All the samples will arrive at the laboratories by tomorrow. "We are doing our utmost to expedite the process," he added.
Since the horrendous attacks in the Ghouta area of Damascus two weeks ago, the (Mission) has been working urgently to establish the facts regarding the nature and extent of any use of chemical weapons, Mr. Ban said, underscoring that, as the first probe of allegations of the use of weapons of mass destruction in the 21st century, the Missions success is in everyones interest.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45760&Cr=syria&Cr1=
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Yup, I think it's a position of prestige without power, like a ambassadorship.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2013
#186
Showing Assad what kind of bombs its OK to drop on the Syrian people by dropping them on the Syrian
Erose999
Sep 2013
#243
I parsed it differently than you - but I see how what you saw was a contradiction
karynnj
Sep 2013
#189
Wouldn't it be a better idea to NOT shell a suburb of your capital after it just suffered a chemical
karynnj
Sep 2013
#240
As I keep saying....we have been working on chemical weapons neutralization for over a decade
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#218
So the plans will achieve the goals of "sending a message" with a "limited" punitive strike
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#228
Actually its the "if you agree with Obama you must have a dead soul" fan club...
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#144
I think that is going overboard. They want to bomb a few military sites. I do not support it
hrmjustin
Sep 2013
#28
A few military sites? Kerry even had trouble ruling out boots on the ground.
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#67
The President promised there would be no boots on the ground. I take him at his word.
hrmjustin
Sep 2013
#71
I agree with you and disagree with Kerry. I just dislike statements like the one I responded to. nt
Demo_Chris
Sep 2013
#106
Silliness. Skepticism and criticism are one thing when it comes to matters of war,
TwilightGardener
Sep 2013
#46
Does this make him a Zombie? (I didn't read the other replies, I may not be the first to mention)
AnotherDreamWeaver
Sep 2013
#51
"Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a fiery rebuke to...Sen. Rand Paul’s line of questioning"
ProSense
Sep 2013
#54
if it was WW2 they'd be calling pearl harbor MIHOP and axis atrocities propaganda and lies...
dionysus
Sep 2013
#128
The Patriot crowd believes both of those things. No shit. 'FDR set us up for the NWO.' Except that:
freshwest
Sep 2013
#224
It is a call to kill...because U.S. intevention cannot be limited to "a few strikes".
Ken Burch
Sep 2013
#122
Would you favor military intervention in Syria under any circumstances? n/t
michigandem58
Sep 2013
#113
People who turn their heads when others are victims of atrocity are without souls.
lumpy
Sep 2013
#202
Since when do you have to be SOS and have fought in an immoral war to know right from wrong.
Agony
Sep 2013
#185
The Obama administration has offered doodley squat as far as proof Assad used chemical weapons. It
Erose999
Sep 2013
#244
George Carlin: "Politicians are put in place to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice."
Initech
Sep 2013
#208
He's just another lying warmongering automaton furthering the interests of the 1% club.
jsr
Sep 2013
#220
Kerry's been "for it before he was against it" since 2003. This is not new for him. nt
Romulox
Sep 2013
#236
RIP, John. RIP, Barack. RIP, Joe. I admired, voted for, now mourn for them all.
leveymg
Sep 2013
#252