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ProSense

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Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:29 PM Sep 2013

The UN is having samples from Syria tested. France and Germany presented evidence Assad did it. [View all]

France releases new, 'undeniable' evidence against Syria

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It accused the Syrian government of using "extremely lethal" chemical weapons -- including those containing the deadly nerve agent sarin -- on several occasions to sow "terror" among civilian populations.

"These proven attacks have shown that the forces of Bashar Assad's regime adapt their tactics and the munitions in their stocks with the aim of causing terror within the civilian population," the French report said.

"The past events and the simultaneous and massive use of chemical weapons on the night of 21 August 2013 in the eastern suburb of Damascus thus confirm that the Syrian regime has deliberately crossed a line. Our services have information, from a national source, leading us to believe that other actions of this nature could still be carried out."

The attack on was a "massive and coordinated use of chemical agents against the civilian population," it alleged, adding that evidence appeared to confirm an estimated 1,500 deaths.

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http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-france-evidence-syria-20130902,0,1163653.story


Gas Attack: Germany Offers Clue in Search for Truth in Syria

By Matthias Gebauer

German intelligence agrees with other Western agencies that the Assad regime was behind the Aug. 21 poison gas attack in Syria. One important clue was provided by a telephone conversation intercepted by German agents.

Germany has said in no uncertain terms that it will not participate in a strike on Syria without the backing of the United Nations Security Council. But the country's foreign intelligence agency, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), agrees with the US position which holds Syrian President Bashar Assad responsible for the poison gas attacks near Damascus on Aug. 21. In a secret briefing to select lawmakers on Monday, BND head Gerhard Schindler said that while there is still no incontestable proof, analysis of the evidence at hand has led his intelligence service to believe that Assad's regime is to blame.

In the briefing, Schindler said that only the Assad regime is in possession of binary chemical weapons such as sarin. The BND believes that regime experts would be the only ones capable of manufacturing such weapons and deploying them with small missiles. The BND believes that such weapons had been used several times prior to the attack on Aug. 21, which is believed to have killed more than 1,400 people. Schindler said in the earlier attacks, however, the poison gas mixture was diluted, explaining the much lower death tolls in those assaults.

During his 30-minute presentation, Schindler offered up scenarios to explain why the Assad regime resorted to chemical weapons use, including, he said, the possibility that Assad sees himself involved in a crucial battle for Damascus. The city is besieged by rebel groups, with particular pressure coming from the east. Schindler believes it is possible that the regime ordered the use of poison gas as a way of intimidating the rebels. It could also be the case that errors were made in mixing the gas and it was much more potent than anticipated, he said.

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Schindler also presented an additional clue, one that has not thus far been made public. He said that the BND listened in on a conversation between a high-ranking member of the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which supports Assad and provides his regime with military assistance, and the Iranian Embassy. The Hezbollah functionary, Schindler reported, seems to have admitted that poison gas was used. He said that Assad lost his nerves and made a big mistake by ordering the chemical weapons attack.

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligence-contributes-to-fact-finding-on-syria-gas-attack-a-920123.html


Syria: Ban says UN chemical weapons experts working ‘around the clock’ to analyze evidence

3 September 2013 – Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon announced today that all biomedical and environmental samples gathered by United Nations inspectors at sites of possible chemical weapons use in Syria are now arriving at designated laboratories in Europe.

Speaking to the press at UN Headquarters in New York, Mr. Ban said that the Mission, led by Swedish scientist Dr. Åke Sellström, has worked “around the clock” since returning from Syria over the weekend to prepare the materials it gathered for analysis. All the samples will arrive at the laboratories by tomorrow. "We are doing our utmost to expedite the process," he added.

“Since the horrendous attacks in the Ghouta area of Damascus two weeks ago, the (Mission) has been working urgently to establish the facts regarding the nature and extent of any use of chemical weapons, Mr. Ban said, underscoring that, as the first probe of allegations of the use of weapons of mass destruction in the 21st century, “the Mission’s success is in everyone’s interest.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45760&Cr=syria&Cr1=

Those claiming that Kerry is lying about the evidence that Assad did it must believe that some other entity is responsible.

The fact is that there was a chemical attack in Syria.

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It's the flight forward/hysteria about Hitler/"Munich" that's the insanity. David__77 Sep 2013 #1
Thank you Nancy Pelosi & sen Reid golfguru Sep 2013 #2
As I said in another you posted this in tazkcmo Sep 2013 #3
I suspect I speak for others here when I say that cali Sep 2013 #4
Didn't you claim Kerry was lying. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #7
not about that, pro dear. n/t do try and pay attention cali Sep 2013 #8
What's you're saying is that because you disagree with Kerry he's lying. ProSense Sep 2013 #9
does this mean france and germany are part of pnac JI7 Sep 2013 #5
It's more than that. ProSense Sep 2013 #6
I still remember all the "undeniable evidence" of Saddam's WMDs Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #10
So you don't believe there was a chemical attack? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #11
I never said that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #12
Where ProSense Sep 2013 #13
I have been lied to by governments about war too many times Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #15
You keep saying that there was an attack, but comparing it to non-existing WMD. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #17
I am comparing it to a chemical weapons attack which our government ordered Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #18
No, you're dismissing it by trying to make a false equivalency. ProSense Sep 2013 #20
There is no false equivalency, it is as wrong for the US to use chemical weapons as it is for Syria Bjorn Against Sep 2013 #21
Me too. And how the Inspectors were supposedly not allowed to do their jobs, etc., rinse, repeat. polly7 Sep 2013 #14
Kick. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #16
Then France and Germany can start bombing Syria krispos42 Sep 2013 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #22
Putin: Russia might let U.N. OK strike against Syria freshwest Sep 2013 #23
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