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Ken Burch

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122. It is a call to kill...because U.S. intevention cannot be limited to "a few strikes".

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:42 PM

Sep 2013

When those "few strikes" don't make Assad change anything, the call will inevitably call for more strikes...and less restrictive "rules of engagement"...and then, boots on the ground.

Limits set on intervention in a committee hearing are never observed in practice.

John Kerry was a hero, once...but he joined the Right when he became an interventionist. There is no way to bomb Syria without making things much worse there AND without pushing politics here sharply to the Right. That's what always happens.

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Thread to mourn the passing of the soul of John Kerry [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2013 OP

. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1

Kerry is following a Higher Calling.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #117

It's the Blue Skies and Puff Clouds of the Cape Cod Lanscape KoKo Sep 2013 #169

'Far from the Madding Crowds ignoble strife' sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #206

That's about it.... What's Left! KoKo Sep 2013 #175

I can't think of an SOS that we've had that was worth a shit. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #180

The power doesn't exist for the job, anymore? KoKo Sep 2013 #184

Yup, I think it's a position of prestige without power, like a ambassadorship. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #186

Yes... KoKo Sep 2013 #191

Cyrus Vance didn't totally suck - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #229

Another soul lost to the MIC. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #2

One way or another, the MIC kills them. villager Sep 2013 #17

I am so curious (and sickened) about the process... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #70

Those are all very good questions and I wish... prairierose Sep 2013 #108

Or could you possibly be wrong karynnj Sep 2013 #116

Bravo! n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #157

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #241

"What changed?" Hubert Flottz Sep 2013 #119

Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #216

This is not a Neocon position and SOS Kerry believes any person of wisteria Sep 2013 #155

So firing Tomahawk Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #167

But...he did a repeat of Colin Powells crap that led us into Iraq! KoKo Sep 2013 #172

You might argue that SoS Kerry isnt a neo-con but you should recognize rhett o rick Sep 2013 #231

Showing Assad what kind of bombs its OK to drop on the Syrian people by dropping them on the Syrian Erose999 Sep 2013 #243

He was a member of Skull & Bones before his Viet Nam tour. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #219

I see a lot of questions like this here. TM99 Sep 2013 #233

Wow, what a very thoughtful and thought-provoking response... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #256

You are welcome. TM99 Sep 2013 #257

RIP dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #3

Sad to watch malaise Sep 2013 #4

You thought it was "hilarious" about 5 minutes ago. nt tridim Sep 2013 #6

Hilarious that he thinks we buy the koolaid malaise Sep 2013 #10

What do you think about Sanders and Warren "buying the koolaid"? tridim Sep 2013 #12

Just sad n/t malaise Sep 2013 #53

His soul left long ago... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #5

Washington DC destroys too many souls. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #44

Exactly Carolina Sep 2013 #192

Unfortunately, too many Ds failed that test. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #230

What a freaking load of bullshit... Rosco T. Sep 2013 #7

Here's proof of at least one deception by Kerry: Maedhros Sep 2013 #64

There were reports that they were not allowed in the gassed karynnj Sep 2013 #121

I submit that Haq is more qualified to speak on behalf of the UN Maedhros Sep 2013 #151

Not what I said karynnj Sep 2013 #164

I'm following you. Maedhros Sep 2013 #181

I parsed it differently than you - but I see how what you saw was a contradiction karynnj Sep 2013 #189

Wouldn't it be a good idea SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #239

Wouldn't it be a better idea to NOT shell a suburb of your capital after it just suffered a chemical karynnj Sep 2013 #240

LOL, capital letters helped a lot. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #75

+1 n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #158

can I start a thread to mourn yours? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #8

You can start a thread on whatever you want. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #19

apparently it recently did.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #23

No one's soul ever died from telling the truth and opposing killing. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #45

You do NOT know that.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #84

Please explain DaveT Sep 2013 #148

If they are done to neutralize them VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #149

You think the plan is to use missiles to "neutralize" chemical weapons? Dragonfli Sep 2013 #211

As I keep saying....we have been working on chemical weapons neutralization for over a decade VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #218

Sooo... that is not the plan, merely a fantasy you have been musing about? Dragonfli Sep 2013 #221

there is NO plan that is public... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #222

That is not what I heard regarding the goals of the administration Dragonfli Sep 2013 #223

Goals != plans VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #225

So the plans will achieve the goals of "sending a message" with a "limited" punitive strike Dragonfli Sep 2013 #228

If no one's soul ever died from telling the truth and opposing killing... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #177

You don't oppose killing by escalating a war Ken Burch Sep 2013 #250

Not talking about me. If... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #254

It's the defining moment ... you are either with God or against him. Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #79

Let me get this straight. Your argument is, "nuh-uh, YOU are"? Marr Sep 2013 #96

Actually its the "if you agree with Obama you must have a dead soul" fan club... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #144

Yours is easily as dead as SOS Kerry's is karynnj Sep 2013 #123

I think he is an honorable man and his soul is intact. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #9

What he said in the antiwar movement can no longer mean anything to him. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #13

I think that is going overboard. They want to bomb a few military sites. I do not support it hrmjustin Sep 2013 #28

You assume it will be left at "a few military sites" Ken Burch Sep 2013 #38

You make a good point but Kerry is a good egg. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #43

A few military sites? Kerry even had trouble ruling out boots on the ground. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #67

The President promised there would be no boots on the ground. I take him at his word. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #71

I trust NO politician. None. 99Forever Sep 2013 #125

Really, as if Carolina Sep 2013 #197

I never said I was for it. But this is not going to be a full scale war. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #199

Kerry was NOT a pacifist in 1971 karynnj Sep 2013 #132

But, they are there in Syria? He has found his "true calling?" KoKo Sep 2013 #209

He never said he was against ANY military action... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #178

hrmjustin - Agree! nt Saturday Sep 2013 #15

Well, if his soul is intact, it's sitting in a pawn shop in Riyadh. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2013 #22

I don't agree. He is a good man. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #31

They say Robert McNamara was a nice guy when you got to know him. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #37

Well you have your point of view but I think Kerry is a good man. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #47

Want to bet some innocent people die? n-t Logical Sep 2013 #73

There is a possiblity. As I said I do not support this. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #77

I know lots of good people, men and women Scootaloo Sep 2013 #41

I agree. This post is crap. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #85

+1 million. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #183

Indeed, may it rest in peace. David__77 Sep 2013 #11

So disheartened right now eissa Sep 2013 #14

But look ma, I made it! - I'm Secretary of State! reformist2 Sep 2013 #16

When he gets the Nobel Peace Prize you will be sorry you didn't stand with him. Agony Sep 2013 #18

They gave Henry Kissinger the Nobel Prize for slaughtering millions. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #27

Ken..... don't make me use that :sarc: thingy Agony Sep 2013 #30

Sorry...didn't get the irony you were doing. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #34

What of Israel/Palestine karynnj Sep 2013 #135

.. Hydra Sep 2013 #20

They trade their souls to become corporate pod people. woo me with science Sep 2013 #21

immense power heaven05 Sep 2013 #58

K&R Myrina Sep 2013 #24

Respectfully... BULLSHIT (cont) Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #25

But a good man or woman cannot say that dropping bombs is not going to war Fumesucker Sep 2013 #65

I agree with you and disagree with Kerry. I just dislike statements like the one I responded to. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #106

Kerry, or any Sec of State, does not decide policy. KurtNYC Sep 2013 #68

He should have done the decent thing and resigned. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #72

So you're saying President Obama has no "soul"? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #76

I never expected as much from Obama. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #82

I agree, thanks Chris. shotten99 Sep 2013 #234

When did JK lose his soul? Hutzpa Sep 2013 #26

It started dying when he started pretending there was such a thing Ken Burch Sep 2013 #109

here's my thought: I wouldn't presume to "mourn his soul" and I find cali Sep 2013 #29

The person within matters. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #80

Well put cali davidpdx Sep 2013 #213

. Berlum Sep 2013 #32

Talk about hyperbole treestar Sep 2013 #33

It's not about "disagreeing with me". Ken Burch Sep 2013 #40

I don't think you can know that treestar Sep 2013 #42

It's not just about "seeing something differently than I do" Ken Burch Sep 2013 #63

Prove this statement Shivering Jemmy Sep 2013 #93

Iraq proved it. Afghanistan proved it. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #94

You didn't answer the question Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #226

its called reality Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #61

what stupid shit JI7 Sep 2013 #35

It seems like desperation because Kerry made his case. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #52

He may have persuaded Congress to back him on the slaughter. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #87

Why presume that you know John Kerry of 1971? karynnj Sep 2013 #139

You have that right! n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #165

I mourn the John Kerry that spoke for my generation : Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #36

That's the guy I miss. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #49

I lost my cherished Brother in Vietnam. That speech was important to me. Autumn Sep 2013 #56

Seasons Change warrant46 Sep 2013 #171

Kerry was protesting a mismanaged and hopeless situation in Viet Nam shotten99 Sep 2013 #235

I mourn the inspiring man that he was and is no more. Autumn Sep 2013 #39

I think that is a better and more constructive way to say what the OP said davidpdx Sep 2013 #214

Perhaps this may be a generational thing. It is in my mind Autumn Sep 2013 #248

Silliness. Skepticism and criticism are one thing when it comes to matters of war, TwilightGardener Sep 2013 #46

You're clueless and insulting. nt babylonsister Sep 2013 #48

I'm not the one who thinks there can be such a thing as "a limited strike" Ken Burch Sep 2013 #60

In other words Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #126

Evil can't be stopped by killing. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #134

You say that "the world doesn't work that way anymore" Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #196

Excellent, Summer, thank you! These Cha Sep 2013 #173

Excellent post. Thank you. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #188

He will be missed: marble falls Sep 2013 #50

Does this make him a Zombie? (I didn't read the other replies, I may not be the first to mention) AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2013 #51

"Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a fiery rebuke to...Sen. Rand Paul�s line of questioning" ProSense Sep 2013 #54

It may have been ''fiery'', but only in a STUPID-fiery way Ocelot Sep 2013 #78

No, it was a ProSense Sep 2013 #81

The only thing I have to say about Rand Paul is Ocelot Sep 2013 #83

LOL! n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #86

ROFL. Saved by parenthesis. tridim Sep 2013 #115

really....sorry but that`s the funniest thing i've read today madrchsod Sep 2013 #215

If this were 1965, your posts would be calling for escalation in Vietnam. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #88

Bullshit! n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #95

Intervention is intervention is intervention. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #97

Nonsense is Nonsense is Nonsense. Advocating ProSense Sep 2013 #101

So, so long as it means Rand Paul looks bad, ANYTHING is justified? Ken Burch Sep 2013 #90

Before you become Sec. of State . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #55

How ridiculous. nt DevonRex Sep 2013 #57

if it was WW2 they'd be calling pearl harbor MIHOP and axis atrocities propaganda and lies... dionysus Sep 2013 #128

That thing on Rand's head looks mean. I wouldn't stand with him. DevonRex Sep 2013 #201

The Patriot crowd believes both of those things. No shit. 'FDR set us up for the NWO.' Except that: freshwest Sep 2013 #224

wel Ken acording to Kerry azurnoir Sep 2013 #59

Wow this is silly mythology Sep 2013 #62

Nope. There's only black and white. There is no gray. Arkana Sep 2013 #66

The problem is, in these cases, "grey" is code for "we have to kill them" Ken Burch Sep 2013 #69

Exactly. And they are busy trying to suppress Liberal and Moderate voting FSogol Sep 2013 #74

The difference is, Gandhi BROKE with violence. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #103

So... bobclark86 Sep 2013 #89

It won't be just a dozen missiles. And our involvement can't be contained. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #100

The Kerry bashing for the past few days DURHAM D Sep 2013 #91

He no longer believes any of the things he spoke for in 1971. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #99

drivel DURHAM D Sep 2013 #104

You just admitted you have no cogent argument against what I said. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #105

drivel does not deserve a response DURHAM D Sep 2013 #107

It's not drivel to say Ken Burch Sep 2013 #110

It's not drivel, it's a LIE. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #194

Oh lord Shivering Jemmy Sep 2013 #92

Yeah, but he's a gazillionaire now. They have no souls. nt valerief Sep 2013 #98

I agree. Your post(s) are very poignant. I think most bbgrunt Sep 2013 #102

Yet another Democrat under the bus. longship Sep 2013 #111

I am being respectful. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #120

I agree with you wholeheartedly. longship Sep 2013 #141

Excellent post! n/t YvonneCa Sep 2013 #200

Kerry is a moral, decent man who has worked hard for peace - karynnj Sep 2013 #112

It is a call to kill...because U.S. intevention cannot be limited to "a few strikes". Ken Burch Sep 2013 #122

I am in awe that a poster on DU has more military knowledge than Obnama's karynnj Sep 2013 #127

Killing can never be moral. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #131

OMG karynnj Sep 2013 #142

Would you favor military intervention in Syria under any circumstances? n/t michigandem58 Sep 2013 #113

None that would be possible in the world as we know it. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #118

Were you under the impression regime change was the goal? michigandem58 Sep 2013 #124

I know that it isn't. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #129

We could damage his capability to deliver the attacks michigandem58 Sep 2013 #133

RIH...and Condolences... KoKo Sep 2013 #114

Oh brother, a little over the top, no? n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #161

I've never heard Kerry get this passionate before.. sendero Sep 2013 #130

I think the opposite is true - he is motivated by his reaction to what he karynnj Sep 2013 #143

A "moral obscenity".. sendero Sep 2013 #154

When it comes to serving his country he's no Edward Snowden BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #136

That is for sure - and the difference is to Kerry's advantage. karynnj Sep 2013 #146

Some very questionable taste in heroes around here BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #150

Mine as well karynnj Sep 2013 #156

The Douglas Brinkley bio is great in that respect BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #170

Indeed Skraxx Sep 2013 #198

Having a ketchup bottle up yer arse changes ya I guess. L0oniX Sep 2013 #137

JAN 16 1961 Prophetic, no just common sense . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #138

Possessed by the non-soul of Colin Powell MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #140

People who turn their heads when others are victims of atrocity are without souls. lumpy Sep 2013 #202

Bullshit, Kerry is an honourable man ! Sand Wind Sep 2013 #145

There's something about Washington DC agent46 Sep 2013 #147

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #162

Fantasy is the plaything of children. lumpy Sep 2013 #204

Hey Lumpy agent46 Sep 2013 #212

Kerry was an empty suit back in '04, fall guy for George W. Bush blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #152

Nonsense - he nearly won against a President who was at 60% in December 2003 karynnj Sep 2013 #166

Oh please, this is not a mistake. wisteria Sep 2013 #153

Hear hear _ Sick of armchair experts making off the wall judgments. lumpy Sep 2013 #205

you make it sound like it happened recently. KG Sep 2013 #159

Kerry had his Colin Powell moment... 99Forever Sep 2013 #160

When you are 1/2 the man John Kerry is..... Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #163

Oh yes. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #168

Ouch! n/t politicasista Sep 2013 #174

He has more money than many of us ...so we are "No Man" rather than 1/2. nt KoKo Sep 2013 #176

Ahh yes... 99Forever Sep 2013 #179

Since when do you have to be SOS and have fought in an immoral war to know right from wrong. Agony Sep 2013 #185

I'll trust JK ovet any anonymous poster on DU Old and In the Way Sep 2013 #193

That will leave a mark. HappyMe Sep 2013 #232

The Obama administration has offered doodley squat as far as proof Assad used chemical weapons. It Erose999 Sep 2013 #244

I'm not an anonymous poster. That's my own name I post under. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #249

Oh The Sanctimony! Shall We Dissect Your Perfect Soul? Skraxx Sep 2013 #182

+1 KoKo Sep 2013 #187

I'm no saint, but I'm not a militarist, either, Ken Burch Sep 2013 #253

So, Sanctimonious, Presumptuous AND Facile! Skraxx Sep 2013 #255

Kerry lost his soul??? fadedrose Sep 2013 #190

John Kerry has a soul and its a live polynomial Sep 2013 #195

Thanks for this post... KoKo Sep 2013 #210

Utter bullshit....please see graphic below pkdu Sep 2013 #203

It used to be DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #207

George Carlin: "Politicians are put in place to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice." Initech Sep 2013 #208

I will mourn the passing of your good faith. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #217

He's just another lying warmongering automaton furthering the interests of the 1% club. jsr Sep 2013 #220

I'm so sorry ... Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #227

Kerry's been "for it before he was against it" since 2003. This is not new for him. nt Romulox Sep 2013 #236

that's nice. It sounds like a speech he could give himself... yurbud Sep 2013 #237

Maybe it will wander around and libodem Sep 2013 #238

I can't fathom it, personally. nt proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #242

RIP John Kerry's soul. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #245

RIP TeamPooka Sep 2013 #246

He protests vietnam, but supports military strikes against Syria. Omnith Sep 2013 #247

The UN is the only answer at this point. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #251

RIP, John. RIP, Barack. RIP, Joe. I admired, voted for, now mourn for them all. leveymg Sep 2013 #252