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Douglas Carpenter

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9. though critical of the Obama Administration - I am not "disappointed" in the sense

Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:39 PM

Sep 2013

that he is doing things very much different than what I expected. I knew from the very beginning that he was a centrist closer to the Clinton range of politics than he was a 21st century version of George McGovern. Many people for reasons I never understood thought he was going to be a left-wing, progressive firebrand who would support sweeping Great Society type legislation, while dismantling the Military Industrial Complex and the surveillance state- or at least the gargantuan version of it that has grown bigger and bigger over the last few decades while fundamentally turning American foreign policy upside down on its head. I never thought that. But some people did, encouraged on by much of the media which did seem to represent him as a fundamentally left-wing figure. So, for those who did expect that - they are deeply disappointed.

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I've figured out the hostility to the President, and its not "Obama Derangement Syndrome"... [View all] brooklynite Sep 2013 OP

Yep.....they are one step away....they are disgusting . Nt pkdu Sep 2013 #1

It has nothing to do with Bush, it's because he is black. CK_John Sep 2013 #2

I'm talking about the people HERE... brooklynite Sep 2013 #6

I think you're right, transferrence. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3

Six months??? It was before he was even inaugurated in 2008. Yavin4 Sep 2013 #137

You are a war apologist. Old Union Guy Sep 2013 #4

"He is selling war, and you just bought it." SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #12

Damn straight. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #14

One other possibility is that people may have problems with certain issues, regardless of the "D." LearningCurve Sep 2013 #5

Ding Ding Ding Ding! AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #97

I said as much in a conversation about my ODS diagnosis the other day Dragonfli Sep 2013 #100

You said it very very well! nt delrem Sep 2013 #197

NOH WAI! Scootaloo Sep 2013 #102

Orrrrr, just maybe, they are more similar then people like to admit. Arctic Dave Sep 2013 #7

Your premise is both implausible and absurd 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #8

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #16

The OP has not figured it out, he neglected to mention the most important reason why sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #22

+Infinity. If Obama manages to cram this shitpile down the throats of an unwilling HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #29

When Pelosi said ".. we don't have control of the government" 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #35

k&r avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #42

I do know who Tice is and I think he may be right because nothing else makes any sense. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #47

"...which we would have expected had a Republican won.." Volaris Sep 2013 #80

Thank you. Perhaps this wounded electorate is just what corporate 'handlers' have wanted ancianita Sep 2013 #118

Or maybe it's time for a new political party, which hasn't been corrupted yet. delrem Sep 2013 #200

Yes //\\ G_j Sep 2013 #166

You nailed it, Sabrina 1: "We have been fooled for over a decade." Raksha Sep 2013 #180

Thank you. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #26

And lets just pretend that all the accomplishments Pres. Obama has had are non-existant because you VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #32

They pale next to exonerating war criminals.[n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #79

to YOU maybe...but not to ME! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #83

That says more about you than me. Maedhros Sep 2013 #88

+1,000 Scuba Sep 2013 #112

YOU on the other hand think things change overnight... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #150

As a matter of fact... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #152

A million vietnamese killed doesn't say much about US concept of "human rights". delrem Sep 2013 #202

Yes I am sure when women got the right to vote... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #207

Women getting the right has no bearing on the 1,000,000+ killed by US bombs. Warmonger. delrem Sep 2013 #215

to the point I was making.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #218

I understand the political sausage-making process. Maedhros Sep 2013 #157

so what? He did plenty as I pointed out previously on his own as well... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #159

When it involves killing people and assaulting the Constitution, it does [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #160

When he ALSO gave women the right to sue for unequal pay... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #161

Kindly take your ODS and place it somewhere appropriate. Maedhros Sep 2013 #163

if the ODS shoe fits...wear it! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #164

And now add... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #165

I agree: those things you are pointing out are GOOD THINGS. Maedhros Sep 2013 #168

Then it is unfair to bash the guy like he is unworthy of our support.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #172

I'm not bashing "the guy." Maedhros Sep 2013 #176

this is a thread about ODS VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #184

ODS is as stupid a concept as BDS. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2013 #190

Not when you cannot help but notice the evidence of and epidemic all over the forums... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #205

I think you're projecting your own expectations onto people. Maedhros Sep 2013 #234

So you are drawing a red line.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #235

That's the thing: you're assuming that by launching a strike on Syria Maedhros Sep 2013 #237

Very well said! Raksha Sep 2013 #187

Your "so what" says it all. You have no moral grounding. delrem Sep 2013 #203

what did I say "so what to? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #208

the list in Maedhros' post. delrem Sep 2013 #214

It was the point I was saying "so what" to... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #216

"bleeding heart, pacifist, ivory-tower living, tree hugging, fancy-pants wearing, hippy haven" delrem Sep 2013 #201

that was snark...in case you are snark challenged. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #209

No it wasn't. It was entirely consistent with your messages to DU. delrem Sep 2013 #213

Yes it is consistent... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #219

I have a problem with your warmongering. And your lying propaganda. delrem Sep 2013 #220

and I have a problem with Anarchists attempting to take over Democratic Underground... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #221

You have no idea what an 'anarchist' is. In spite of some *very good* educational material. delrem Sep 2013 #222

Actually YES I do... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #223

I suggest you read some of the source material that was suggested to you. delrem Sep 2013 #226

I suggest YOU read the actual Dictionary Definition of Anarchy! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #228

30 words in webster! Now that's DEEP! About as deep as a warmonger need go. delrem Sep 2013 #229

Well it would be acceptable as a source for educational purposes wouldnt it? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #230

"education"? Why don't you quit the warmongering for a bit, and educate yourself. delrem Sep 2013 #231

Got anything to add besides calling me a warmonger? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #224

No, that about covers your contribution. delrem Sep 2013 #227

So long as War Criminals are free to continue to influence the Foreign policies of this country, sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #123

not entirely though hfojvt Sep 2013 #51

Funny, we act like an imperialist... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #94

Being nominally "better" than the USSR <--(which doesn't exist) is hardly reaching for the stars 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #95

no, I am old hfojvt Sep 2013 #130

A lame duck who can't wait to get us into another war. cui bono Sep 2013 #141

Obama doesn't need to sell himself, because he did that running for office 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #155

I think it matters a great deal whether we talk about 10% or .01% hfojvt Sep 2013 #158

I think those 11,000,000 households are mostly our new "Mercenary Class" 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #162

I understood it fine hfojvt Sep 2013 #170

OK, I'm down with going after the Fab 400.. Let's do this! nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #175

that part was sarcasm hfojvt Sep 2013 #178

The 400 Richest Americans Are Now Richer Than the Bottom 50 Percent Combined 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #182

This cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #122

You just ended the thread LittleBlue Sep 2013 #131

DU-REC. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #135

Exactly. Nothing to add. nt Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #153

+1000 Raksha Sep 2013 #185

I think it's even more basic then that. Puglover Sep 2013 #206

There are politicians who do tell the truth, and those who don't 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #211

How you gleaned Puglover Sep 2013 #212

So we agree some politicians tell the truth 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #225

We agree. Puglover Sep 2013 #239

though critical of the Obama Administration - I am not "disappointed" in the sense Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #9

^^^ THAT! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #43

Where is my Jamastiene Sep 2013 #98

Although I wasn't one of them deutsey Sep 2013 #119

Exactly...the moment I heard he was pulling Summers and Geithner into his inner circle deutsey Sep 2013 #117

Has it ever occured to you that Empire and continuity of policy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #10

Let me see....Lily Ledbetter Act...check....Obamacares the biggest change in healthcare in this VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #52

Gandhis vs Oppression. Freedom Fighters vs Evil Empire. These fantasies about the US uhnope Sep 2013 #145

Really...a good reading of history nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #148

Does seem to be that way, doesn't it? truedelphi Sep 2013 #193

Empires have their logic nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #196

At least Bush had Colin Powell state their case at the UN... reformist2 Sep 2013 #11

Yes, it comes down to a very simple equation according to them davidpdx Sep 2013 #13

Personality cultists see everything through the lense of personalities, I've noticed. Marr Sep 2013 #15

You probably won't believe that he's not my "hero"... brooklynite Sep 2013 #19

I believe he's thoughtful and intelligent as well. That doesn't mean he's on my side. Marr Sep 2013 #37

+1 deutsey Sep 2013 #120

Their could be another reason........ wandy Sep 2013 #17

I'm open to a rational debate on the issue... brooklynite Sep 2013 #24

I do not use those terms. I point out that we have other problems.......... wandy Sep 2013 #58

This is not addressed to you... brooklynite Sep 2013 #64

Understood. I think by now you know I'm against this Syria thing..... wandy Sep 2013 #84

Kick, you are a reality based apologist. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #18

Congratulations on another stupid post. last1standing Sep 2013 #20

You've aligned your interests with those of (among others) Karl Rove, Eliott Abrams, HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #21

John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren... brooklynite Sep 2013 #25

How's it feel being in bed with the likes of Norm Coleman? You and people like you make HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #33

How's it feel being in bed with the likes of Rand Paul? (edited to add Ted Cruz...) brooklynite Sep 2013 #49

is the FREE REPUBLIC really an anti war web site?..nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #89

No. They're anti-Obama-no-matter-what, just like Neo-DU. tridim Sep 2013 #154

+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #128

have Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren committed themselves to authorizing force in Syria? Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #34

Both have acknowledged that Assad used chemical weapons... brooklynite Sep 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #46

Provide the quote where I said they "support military intervention" brooklynite Sep 2013 #54

logic fail. uhnope Sep 2013 #146

Gee thanks HangOnKids Sep 2013 #177

another logic fail. and a smilie fail. uhnope Sep 2013 #179

Keep going you are a hoot HangOnKids Sep 2013 #181

smilie fail. uhnope Sep 2013 #183

Keep going you are a hoot HangOnKids Sep 2013 #186

And you have aligned your interests with teabaggers snooper2 Sep 2013 #156

exactly right uhnope Sep 2013 #188

bullshit. people who're promised change and don't get it, are right to describe the continuation delrem Sep 2013 #23

But I suspect that many of those who are loyalists truedelphi Sep 2013 #195

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2013 #27

as I posted in a previous thread, the ugliest crap comes from the least well informed. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #28

case in point RetroLounge Sep 2013 #44

Love you! HangOnKids Sep 2013 #105

Yes, yes it does. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #45

How's the cartography coming? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #62

... leftstreet Sep 2013 #65

More MAP! HangOnKids Sep 2013 #104

I quite agree. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #114

horrible generalization. I've noticed little hostility or transference. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #30

Confusion? How about outright ignorance. And bias. I've spent the better part of 2 weeks reading KittyWampus Sep 2013 #36

Sorry - I don't see it that way. I trust NO politician or news source right now - and that defines NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Sep 2013 #106

"Little" hostility? CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #78

Both bush's war and a Syrian strike are illegal under international law. morningfog Sep 2013 #31

Why would a former Harvard Law professor care about something so quaint and HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #39

O was NEVER a Harvard professor, nor a constitutional law scholar. Divernan Sep 2013 #96

Careful, sounds like you are comparing Bush to Obama. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #56

YOU CAN"T HAVE A WAR WITHOUT BOOTS!!!!!!111! BOOOOOOOOTS!!1!!! morningfog Sep 2013 #57

Are you doing a John Stewart? avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #63

It's a ridiculous comparison. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #77

.... avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #82

ouch! grasswire Sep 2013 #132

Embarrassing. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #41

No, this goes beyond embarassing to despicable and McCarthy-esque. - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #50

McCarthy was less patronizing. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #136

Wow, that's some kind of stupid post right there. RetroLounge Sep 2013 #48

Keep telling yourself that LibAsHell Sep 2013 #53

Futher to your point, no one here is saying or even hinting that Obama should be impeached over HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #55

i guess we`ll have to wait and see if he will be impeached madrchsod Sep 2013 #59

And do you think it would be for a valid reason? CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #69

nope .... madrchsod Sep 2013 #86

i think it's just alienation from politicians in general Enrique Sep 2013 #60

i`d say you are correct..... madrchsod Sep 2013 #61

The case for impeachment aka "throw the bum out" has already been made. CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #66

You say projecting, I say observing. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #67

Maybe people just think that in regards to Syria, he's wrong to want to bomb them. Triana Sep 2013 #68

In this thread, I've learned that if I have problems with the President, I'm either a rube DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #70

...and called deranged either way. n/t Jamastiene Sep 2013 #110

"My only question is: will they decide that Bush should have impeached, so....." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #71

It's all about being mean to Obama!!!!!111! woo me with science Sep 2013 #72

Yes ! here is a read of US Syrian Obama meanies at protest lunasun Sep 2013 #107

alas and alack, Obama's being called a warmonger not because Bush was one MisterP Sep 2013 #73

"War of Aggression" brooklynite Sep 2013 #74

When you're shooting missiles and dropping bombs on a country LibAsHell Sep 2013 #76

MORE BULLSHIT. n/t DeSwiss Sep 2013 #75

Say please. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #103

Our wars are good, their wars are bad!!!! ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #81

What a steaming pile of bullshit leftstreet Sep 2013 #85

If you're a Dem, and you SUPPORT bombing Syria, you're on the RIGHT SIDE because PO wants it. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #87

good point upi402 Sep 2013 #90

The major significant difference between Bush and Obama eridani Sep 2013 #91

Obama orders drones to kill Americans without trial🌝 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #92

that makes it a strain of ODS, doesn't it? projecting Bush's real crimes onto Obama. uhnope Sep 2013 #93

Obama loves drone warfare and that what he has in mind. They don't care The_Casual_Observer Sep 2013 #99

Errrrrr....... no. sibelian Sep 2013 #101

They are so much in love with Assad, they love it when he gassed the "terrorist". Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #108

Amazing! Jamastiene Sep 2013 #109

You haven't figured out shit whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #111

One hand washes the other... Earth_First Sep 2013 #113

Except that they didn't... brooklynite Sep 2013 #127

Bush is a war criminal ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #115

This is why you should check your math... JHB Sep 2013 #116

that's simplistic nonsense bigtree Sep 2013 #121

or maybe it's the transference of the policies and even many of the appointees yurbud Sep 2013 #124

That makes too much sense Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #125

Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something... yurbud Sep 2013 #129

+1 JVS Sep 2013 #149

Would there have been the hostility to Bush if he had been a more moderate, do nothing Republican? yurbud Sep 2013 #126

Honestly, I come across more hostile on here than I am Bradical79 Sep 2013 #133

Bullshit! Epic frame fail! L0oniX Sep 2013 #134

Yeah, that's it. LOL polichick Sep 2013 #138

You are not very good at this. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #139

Ah... I just love OPs that promote harmony and togetherness. cui bono Sep 2013 #140

Crap like this makes me yearn for the days of the unrec option! nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #142

Embarrassing post. myrna minx Sep 2013 #143

You're a hoot! City Lights Sep 2013 #144

Yeah, it has nothing to do with actually evaluating his policies and actions LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #147

This thread is awesome... SidDithers Sep 2013 #151

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha MFrohike Sep 2013 #167

You don't think Bush was a warmonger? Octafish Sep 2013 #169

Golly - I never thought this thread would run for 24 hours...did I hit a nerve? brooklynite Sep 2013 #171

That's some hypocritical bullshit there. You post what you posted then claim others are Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #210

i think this is true but liberals typically oppose war. so the fact that we dont want to go into war La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #173

Voters and Far-Left DUers are unfair for thinking we cannot afford a 3rd war. Dr Fate Sep 2013 #174

Or... Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #189

Juvenile and offensive. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #191

When he follows the same policies, it is entirely justified alarimer Sep 2013 #192

That is it in a nutshell. n/t truedelphi Sep 2013 #194

It's mainly utopians tabasco Sep 2013 #198

I am sorry, but as someone who hated Richard Nixon, and who truedelphi Sep 2013 #204

plus.. sendero Sep 2013 #217

Maybe one explanation: truedelphi Sep 2013 #232

I think that is part of the problem. sendero Sep 2013 #238

Maybe those people are still opposed to the same policies and actions QC Sep 2013 #199

that's a good way to put it. yurbud Sep 2013 #233

Becasue opposition to Obama = psychiatric issues? Skip Intro Sep 2013 #236