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Clames

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81. Let's count how many things you are wrong on here.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 02:24 AM
Feb 2012

This will be easy.

First off.

Just showing how much of a militarist you are if you think the World War II alone created the post-war economic boom.



Please cite where, anywhere, that I've even hinted that WW2 was the sole mechanism for the post-war economic boom. I won't hold my breathe....errr...breath... You might want to fix that.


Now your second blunder.

"that the outbreak of WW2 was the saving grace for the New Deal(s)" is a common conservative claim made to denigrate domestic spending by the government, as the following two articles by scholars show in support of the argument I have made above.


Except neither of those articles even mentions that. They mention some twittery about the New Deal causing the Great Depression or making it worse. Neither mention, in any specific or implied fashion, my talking point. Oops, your reading comprehension is in need of calibration. I'd recommend an NIST certified lab for that.

Number three.

Clearly, the long-term interest is served far more by spending on butter than by spending on guns, in the face of no real threat to national security that we could not meet with half our current military capacity.[/quote]

And I think, as I've stated, that the long term interest is best served on a balance of both. There truly is room for serious spending decreases on both sides. You see, given your lack of understanding of the current military support structure, it really is impossible not to include one without the other anymore. What you also fail to understand is how the military is getting smaller and has been for a long time. Current draw-downs are in the tens of thousands and will be easily exceeded through natural attrition that follows most deployments. For someone who seems have such a strong dislike for the military I find it hard to believe you could qualify an analysis that our security needs could be met with half the current force when you don't understand even a tiny fraction of it. Massive military machine? Not in decades and certainly not with the current force projections put us WAY down in terms of military growth in comparison with the rest of the world. I think we are somewhere in the 60's along with France and the UK now.


You are wrong on pretty much everything.





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Photo: Naval Airpower [View all] Johnny Rico Feb 2012 OP
Yep, we know doubt have the most advanced military in the world and then we have teddy51 Feb 2012 #1
But there's absolutely no connection between the two! DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #2
I know that, but just saying how ridiculous it is to be wasting money on a huge teddy51 Feb 2012 #3
I was making the same point DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #5
Money could be spent elsewhere. Logical Feb 2012 #4
Yes, indeed DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #6
Precisely Sherman A1 Feb 2012 #8
+1000 ellisonz Feb 2012 #10
U$A! U$A! Protecting the profits of the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #7
About $830 Million in Tax Dollars pubsrpigs Feb 2012 #9
thats closer to $1.5 billion dollars unhappycamper Feb 2012 #88
And you're not in love with militarism? ellisonz Feb 2012 #11
And the answer to your rhetorical question is... Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #13
So why post this? ellisonz Feb 2012 #14
One doesn't need to be a militarist to appreciate the beauty of formation flying. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #16
How do you respond to the criticisms upthread... ellisonz Feb 2012 #17
I would answer them as follows: Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #18
So if you were going to balance the Federal budget... ellisonz Feb 2012 #22
I choose...both. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #54
Glad to see you want to gut Medicare/Medicaid to support your war machine! ellisonz Feb 2012 #60
Hey, at least our military will still look fucking cool as hell Hugabear Feb 2012 #66
That's the important thing... ellisonz Feb 2012 #68
In the 1970's and 1980's we faced an enemy that had (somewhat) comparable power Hippo_Tron Feb 2012 #35
And how has that changed? Clames Feb 2012 #40
You can get a lot of nice things... ellisonz Feb 2012 #42
It sure has... Clames Feb 2012 #43
So I'll pose the same question to you... ellisonz Feb 2012 #44
Oh I'm sorry... Clames Feb 2012 #45
Actually there is... ellisonz Feb 2012 #46
I addressed my sore thumb... Clames Feb 2012 #47
So which is it... ellisonz Feb 2012 #48
Like I already said... Clames Feb 2012 #49
It's about as simple as it as it can get... ellisonz Feb 2012 #50
Try that sometime... Clames Feb 2012 #52
lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #53
I don't have to make an assumption... Clames Feb 2012 #56
Ooohhh a narrow view... ellisonz Feb 2012 #59
Laughable still. Clames Feb 2012 #73
During the war years, yes defense spending boomed... ellisonz Feb 2012 #75
Academic study? Clames Feb 2012 #76
Whatever. ellisonz Feb 2012 #78
Let's count how many things you are wrong on here. Clames Feb 2012 #81
Dodge. ellisonz Feb 2012 #82
LULZ. Clames Feb 2012 #84
Keep drowning. ellisonz Feb 2012 #87
Your crystal ball is failing...again. Clames Feb 2012 #96
Such pro-military-industrial complex, anti-New Deal arguments! ellisonz Feb 2012 #99
I don't see a problem... Clames Feb 2012 #19
Careful...you'll be called a militarist! Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #20
Oh I wouldn't care... Clames Feb 2012 #21
All hail the military-industrial complex! ellisonz Feb 2012 #27
You can do the hailing... Clames Feb 2012 #32
So where have you been dude? unhappycamper Feb 2012 #89
Not as many places as I'd like to yet... Clames Feb 2012 #95
What's your MOS? unhappycamper Feb 2012 #102
Started as a 91C... Clames Feb 2012 #103
You know, the guy who sweeps the launch pad at Canaveral DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #100
Ah, the intoxication of solving the worlds problems with a fleet of killing machines. sad sally Feb 2012 #28
So why title it "naval airpower'? Your first concern was the power it projects muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #57
The title and descriptive text were copied and pasted from the website where Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #62
And it's a militaristic website (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #67
It's a website abour miliary matters. In any case, it Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #69
Beauty can be found in all things NickB79 Feb 2012 #64
I think these useless machines are ugly. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #74
Cool! A tiger cruise has family members on board. It's like open house for sailors kids Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #12
The single largest individual user of refined petroleum products on Earth Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #15
The US military uses 360K barrels of oil a day. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2012 #31
The military is the most sacred of our Sacred Cows and loves to strut its $tuff. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #23
"Now, if they could only win a war." ellisonz Feb 2012 #24
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #26
As in what? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #30
You see... ellisonz Feb 2012 #34
USA-USA-USA! MadHound Feb 2012 #25
nerf fascisthunter Feb 2012 #29
And NOW here's a picture of a plane with a pancake hat. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #33
Yes, lets bring our military down to thesame level it was in 1941, #17 in the world. oneshooter Feb 2012 #36
Which was the last war we won. You might be on to something. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #37
What potential existential threats do you see... ellisonz Feb 2012 #39
The military is a lovely thing to those of a fascist bent. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #38
Anybody look at our military scorecard..? Bigmack Feb 2012 #41
" Our military is huge, powerful, and amazingly inefficient at its job." ellisonz Feb 2012 #93
Oh, look!! they can fly in formation...whoppie do n/t Ichingcarpenter Feb 2012 #51
Naval airpower is only useful against targets at sea or near the coast FarCenter Feb 2012 #55
With the current generation of smart standoff weapoms now available, Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #63
Translation: Will come in handy if the GOP ever gets their wet dream of a war with Iran. ellisonz Feb 2012 #70
They've already come in handy. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #71
Which didn't require multiple... ellisonz Feb 2012 #72
Ok, regarding aircraft carrier battle groups, let's follow President Obama's advice: Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #77
And it should be cut even more...but he's got to play politics. ellisonz Feb 2012 #79
I'm sorry, but the idea of war with China is absolutely daft. Selatius Feb 2012 #80
Don't bring reason into this... ellisonz Feb 2012 #83
A few of them are always undergoing maintenance FarCenter Feb 2012 #91
Afghanistan is near the coast? Angleae Feb 2012 #86
Kabul is about 800 miles inland, Mazari Sarif is about 1000 miles FarCenter Feb 2012 #90
They were using navy tankers (F-18, EA-6, S-3). Angleae Feb 2012 #98
Let me know when we make one of these things... bvar22 Feb 2012 #58
Awesome Sky Glans! whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #61
That is cause. Here is effect... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #65
Photo: Infantry power Bonobo Feb 2012 #85
One cbu should take care of that formation... deaniac21 Feb 2012 #97
My point is... Bonobo Feb 2012 #101
Beautiful photo kctim Feb 2012 #92
this one must have been a bitch to do correctly: Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #94
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