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Behind the Aegis

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15. That is the point!
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:30 AM
Sep 2013
"I absolutely agree that there are many non-Jewish senators and representatives just as bad."


Then why aren't they more loyal to Israel? This demonstrates that difference: Lieberman vs. McCain. The article about McCain actually mentions Israel, yet not one accusation he is "more loyal to Israel." Not a single accusation! Yet, in the Lieberman thread, we see plenty of accusations similar to yours, and some even worse. Both are touting similar positions, yet only one is the traitor to another country, the Jew!

"Again, I do not conflate the nation of Israel or its policies with Jewish people. In fact, I don't think that I've ever known a Jewish person who conflated the two."


I never said, nor do I assume you do; just so I am clear. I understand this about you and I am not claiming you are an anti-Semite, I am saying what you said is anti-Semitic.

"As for Graham, I support outing gay people who vote against equal rights for the LGBT community. I know many don't, but I believe that closet gays who exploit homophobic ignorance for personal power lose the right to have their decision whether to reveal their sexual orientation respected."


I think you misunderstood the example. I am fine with outing hypocritical homophobes. What I am saying is implying he is gay because he is single, somewhat effeminate, and not a "manly man," he therefore must be gay; that is homophobic. Try this: "Wow! He is really masculine for a gay man." "She's so feminine, it's hard to believe she's a lesbian." You do see why those are homophobic, right? Now, draw the line to anti-Semitism, "Hey, he has the same voting record and his hawking for another war, but what do you expect, he's more loyal to Israel (because he is a Jew)." The last part is almost always unsaid, but it is said!

Think about it.

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Worst VP also-ran since 2000? [View all] XemaSab Sep 2013 OP
Come on. Not even a fair contest. BainsBane Sep 2013 #1
personally or politically ? JI7 Sep 2013 #2
The one who would have sucked most as VP BainsBane Sep 2013 #3
Sorry, Lieberman scares me the most. Palin would have been a non-entity. dkf Sep 2013 #4
Gore lost in 2000 because of Lieberman, I have no doubt about it. LAGC Sep 2013 #5
You're asking us to choose between one candidate solidly in the pocket of another country... last1standing Sep 2013 #6
Any proof of the first accusation? Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #8
Only his voting record and statements. last1standing Sep 2013 #9
Much like many others, I bet I could match them vote for vote. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #10
Still homophobic but claiming that he's gay wouldn't be. last1standing Sep 2013 #11
You are implying something that is anti-Semitic, though. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #12
I absolutely agree that there are many non-Jewish senators and representatives just as bad. last1standing Sep 2013 #13
That is the point! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #15
You're right about McCain. His loyalty is never questioned, only his beliefs. last1standing Sep 2013 #16
Thank you for this exchange. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #17
I can see how singling out Lieberman when the other are the same is anti-Semitic, yes. last1standing Sep 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Sep 2013 #22
I honestly can't think of another US politician who would have been worse than Palin. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #7
dangerous and smart versus dangerous and air headed - that's a tough one Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #14
Boy it was a toss up between Palin and Lieberman, I had to go with B Calm Sep 2013 #19
I vote Lieberman, Palin is entertaining. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #20
Palin, without a doubt. HappyMe Sep 2013 #21
I put Leiberman. NCTraveler Sep 2013 #23
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