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last1standing

(11,709 posts)
13. I've seen the pics (not the video) and it is horrid.
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:57 AM
Sep 2013

All I can say is that sometimes the only way to communicate is through humor, even in the blackest of situations. I was sickened by the photos and found it very hard not to rail against those who were using them as justification without any real understanding that without a solid plan and international support, we would likely be causing deaths without any reward for us or the Syrian people. Yes, the photos create a gut reaction but gut reactions rarely lead to good decisions.

We, and by we I mean the United States government, need to step back from the precipice and plan this thing out, not just try to solve the problem with ham-fisted strikes which will inevitably lead to retaliation and then escalation. We need answer to some serious questions such as whether Putin is insane enough to jump in on Syria's side and what trust can we place in the rebels to not knife us in the back once we've done the job for them? In the aftermath will we be creating a new Jordan or a new Iran? I honestly do not believe we have asked those questions let alone answered them.

That's why the UN or NATO is so important to this operation. If we go in with the world community claiming it is an illegal act, we lose credibility and our justification. Every time we lose credibility, world players like Putin gain respect, especially if they can play the part of protecting the little guy. It is difficult to claim the high ground when everyone thinks you're playing in the gutter.

Look, I know there's a contingent at DU as eager to see Obama fail just as there is a contingent that will excuse every action he makes no matter how horrible. Personally, I want Obama to succeed at creating good policies both foreign and domestic but I won't back him in making bad decisions because that's not my job. I'm an advocate for causes not persons so that is where my loyalties lie. As my opinion is that the Syria issue is extremely complex, I believe more facts are needed and a detail plan developed with support from the world community. Without that we don't stand much chance of long-term success.

No flame here. last1standing Sep 2013 #1
Or NATO? joshcryer Sep 2013 #2
I'm glad you're fascinated. last1standing Sep 2013 #3
I would've never taken you as pro-NATO. joshcryer Sep 2013 #5
If you want to have a real discussion without the insults that we've been exchanging elsewhere... last1standing Sep 2013 #6
Russia has stopped many UN resolutions. joshcryer Sep 2013 #7
You have a strange way of being civilized. last1standing Sep 2013 #9
Fair enough. joshcryer Sep 2013 #11
I've seen the pics (not the video) and it is horrid. last1standing Sep 2013 #13
Did you know Israel already struck in Syria? joshcryer Sep 2013 #14
I honestly tried to answer all of this but I'm too Damned tired. last1standing Sep 2013 #17
Take care. joshcryer Sep 2013 #18
I apologize as well. last1standing Sep 2013 #21
Two of Warren's statements below one before the August gassing and one after - with links Tx4obama Sep 2013 #4
I'd like to ask Warren why she thinks US bombs would bring peace or regieme change to Syria. Erose999 Sep 2013 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #8
What she said makes sense davidpdx Sep 2013 #10
Listening to the hearings I heard them say Assad could be convinced to step down.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #12
I say assassinate the bastard, it makes more sense than bombing B Calm Sep 2013 #15
might the attempt to assassinate Assad also have unintended consequences? Supersedeas Sep 2013 #16
Yesterday I read right here that Warren was "beating the war drums" which is bullshit. Scuba Sep 2013 #19
Yes, that's the professor talking there. bemildred Sep 2013 #20
Would it surprise you to know that we're not "going in like cowboys and Indians"? brooklynite Sep 2013 #22
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