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joshcryer

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14. Did you know Israel already struck in Syria?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:13 AM
Sep 2013

I don't remember the UN or anyone making much fuss over that. No one was crying war crimes or anything of that nature (it may or may not have been a war crime, if they struck the rebels because they believed they had chemical weapons, or if they stuck Syrian guards because they felt threatened at their border, we don't know).

I think from my perspective it's not about necessarily Obama failing, I think people want the US to fail. I think the Russia defenders for example, who go out of their way to bash Obama over simple things like meeting with LGBT-rights people in Russia, are the perfect example of this. It's not really about Obama meeting with LGBT-rights people in Russia to them, it's more about the US sticking their finger in the eye of Russia, being a bad boy, not respecting Russia, etc. This is another issue with me, with regards to RT and how it's supported here, and how RT objectively bashes gay rights on its site (albeit very carefully, with very weaselly language).

People don't want the US to do anything, and hey, I completely agree with them, the US needs to have a nice 10-20 year isolationist move, as far as I'm concerned, disengage completely, stop trying to be the beacon of the world (and if you dispute that, just know I base that on the immigration influx to the US; which ironically has slowed in recent years due to the US being that supposed "beacon&quot . Just fucking chill out and get your own shit together. Infrastructure is falling apart, people are living in the lowest standard they have, proportionately, in forever. Wages are horrific. It's a shitty business.

I'm in a minority in that I think Obama's red line statement was correct, because when 98% of the world agrees with us on something (the Chemical Weapons Convention) we maybe are doing something right. But I manage to fall in the majority on acting in Syria because of the whole, the US needs to stop meddling position I hold. If the international community backs it, then fuck it, do it, but until then, no. Stop. End. Just stop.

If Obama wants to leave a legacy, one that will make historians note a sea change in the whole history of humankind, then all he has to do is back off, here, now, make the world consider its actions, make the world look on itself introspectively. The Arab League is already openly against Assad's regime. If they have the moral compass they can act. The US has supported too many dictatorships in the Arab world as it stands now (the Arab Spring confirms this). If the US can just back the fuck off for a decade or two, this shit will resolve itself.

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No flame here. last1standing Sep 2013 #1
Or NATO? joshcryer Sep 2013 #2
I'm glad you're fascinated. last1standing Sep 2013 #3
I would've never taken you as pro-NATO. joshcryer Sep 2013 #5
If you want to have a real discussion without the insults that we've been exchanging elsewhere... last1standing Sep 2013 #6
Russia has stopped many UN resolutions. joshcryer Sep 2013 #7
You have a strange way of being civilized. last1standing Sep 2013 #9
Fair enough. joshcryer Sep 2013 #11
I've seen the pics (not the video) and it is horrid. last1standing Sep 2013 #13
Did you know Israel already struck in Syria? joshcryer Sep 2013 #14
I honestly tried to answer all of this but I'm too Damned tired. last1standing Sep 2013 #17
Take care. joshcryer Sep 2013 #18
I apologize as well. last1standing Sep 2013 #21
Two of Warren's statements below one before the August gassing and one after - with links Tx4obama Sep 2013 #4
I'd like to ask Warren why she thinks US bombs would bring peace or regieme change to Syria. Erose999 Sep 2013 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #8
What she said makes sense davidpdx Sep 2013 #10
Listening to the hearings I heard them say Assad could be convinced to step down.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #12
I say assassinate the bastard, it makes more sense than bombing B Calm Sep 2013 #15
might the attempt to assassinate Assad also have unintended consequences? Supersedeas Sep 2013 #16
Yesterday I read right here that Warren was "beating the war drums" which is bullshit. Scuba Sep 2013 #19
Yes, that's the professor talking there. bemildred Sep 2013 #20
Would it surprise you to know that we're not "going in like cowboys and Indians"? brooklynite Sep 2013 #22
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