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In reply to the discussion: Elizabeth Warren said something very important about Syria. [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)I don't remember the UN or anyone making much fuss over that. No one was crying war crimes or anything of that nature (it may or may not have been a war crime, if they struck the rebels because they believed they had chemical weapons, or if they stuck Syrian guards because they felt threatened at their border, we don't know).
I think from my perspective it's not about necessarily Obama failing, I think people want the US to fail. I think the Russia defenders for example, who go out of their way to bash Obama over simple things like meeting with LGBT-rights people in Russia, are the perfect example of this. It's not really about Obama meeting with LGBT-rights people in Russia to them, it's more about the US sticking their finger in the eye of Russia, being a bad boy, not respecting Russia, etc. This is another issue with me, with regards to RT and how it's supported here, and how RT objectively bashes gay rights on its site (albeit very carefully, with very weaselly language).
People don't want the US to do anything, and hey, I completely agree with them, the US needs to have a nice 10-20 year isolationist move, as far as I'm concerned, disengage completely, stop trying to be the beacon of the world (and if you dispute that, just know I base that on the immigration influx to the US; which ironically has slowed in recent years due to the US being that supposed "beacon"
. Just fucking chill out and get your own shit together. Infrastructure is falling apart, people are living in the lowest standard they have, proportionately, in forever. Wages are horrific. It's a shitty business.
I'm in a minority in that I think Obama's red line statement was correct, because when 98% of the world agrees with us on something (the Chemical Weapons Convention) we maybe are doing something right. But I manage to fall in the majority on acting in Syria because of the whole, the US needs to stop meddling position I hold. If the international community backs it, then fuck it, do it, but until then, no. Stop. End. Just stop.
If Obama wants to leave a legacy, one that will make historians note a sea change in the whole history of humankind, then all he has to do is back off, here, now, make the world consider its actions, make the world look on itself introspectively. The Arab League is already openly against Assad's regime. If they have the moral compass they can act. The US has supported too many dictatorships in the Arab world as it stands now (the Arab Spring confirms this). If the US can just back the fuck off for a decade or two, this shit will resolve itself.