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joshcryer

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124. Now we wait.

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:59 AM

Sep 2013

And hope to fuck Obama doesn't do anything because the ensuing crackdown in Syria will be blamed on him (rightly so) and all those innocent civilians I expressed concern about will be fucked.

I, for one, am glad Obama is making it about the international community because it could indicate that he's moving toward the more rational position of taking this to the UN. Russia can keep faltering and shutting it down. Who cares. It'd no longer be Obama or the US's concern.

I can dream.

Likely Obama is going to strike, Assad is going to crack down, and 2-3 months for now no one will care. We'll be complaining about some other absurdity. Maybe by then Greenwald will find something in the trove of data he has that implicates someone important, who knows. But I do know no one will be caring about Syria.

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I didn't set a red line, the world did. - Obama in Sweden just now [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

Um... tridim Sep 2013 #1

Oh yeah, I see where it says that the consequence of using chemical weapons is progressoid Sep 2013 #2

What should they be? treestar Sep 2013 #74

Well, let's see... progressoid Sep 2013 #129

But what are some other ideas? treestar Sep 2013 #158

I can't think of any. progressoid Sep 2013 #161

LOL ananda Sep 2013 #162

Indeed. joshcryer Sep 2013 #15

Putin 'does not rule out' approving Syria strike with evidence Assad used poison gas Little Star Sep 2013 #98

He already said Syria didn't do it. joshcryer Sep 2013 #101

. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #21

Okay, I'll put you down as not supporting the Chemical Weapons Convention. tridim Sep 2013 #24

LOL Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #34

Where was that part? atreides1 Sep 2013 #37

I haven't supported any war my entire life and I don't support war in Syria. tridim Sep 2013 #42

"The President doesn't support war in Syria either." woo me with science Sep 2013 #54

The President does NOT support war in Syria. tridim Sep 2013 #56

Of course he doesn't consider it war. woo me with science Sep 2013 #59

It's not war is a (Democratic) President does it n2doc Sep 2013 #70

It's not a war, if it's not a war. tridim Sep 2013 #108

Oh Jesus, just stop with the BS already. It's already a fucking war. Dawgs Sep 2013 #78

Boots on the ground already huh. tridim Sep 2013 #109

My avatar is a person, and he's wrong. Dawgs Sep 2013 #155

Crazy isn't it? SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #118

Yep. Dawgs Sep 2013 #156

2%. 98% of the world is against chemical weapons. joshcryer Sep 2013 #38

Yes, but considering the Syrian people don't want to be gassed by Assad... tridim Sep 2013 #48

I, naturally, require UN action. joshcryer Sep 2013 #51

False dichotomy Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #39

I don't support war in Syria, I am beating no war drums. tridim Sep 2013 #50

No one can make him attack Syria except him. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #65

Until the Preseident says he supports war, then you'll be all for it LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #159

I couldn't help but notice you skipped all of Nuclear Unicorn's points, and just went straight to Marr Sep 2013 #44

Point 1 is irrelevant. joshcryer Sep 2013 #53

Point 1 is relevant Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #67

The 4th Geneva Convention and Protocol I. joshcryer Sep 2013 #69

Another goof who has to put words into people's mouths to cover their failings. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #76

Only under the UNSC. joshcryer Sep 2013 #82

Unilateral action isn't legal either, so it's not really about international law. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #95

No shit. joshcryer Sep 2013 #99

At least five nations haven't banned them. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #145

Who do you prefer start bombing us for indiscriminate attacks on civilians? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #141

I'll put you down as a practitioner of putting words cali Sep 2013 #62

Yeah? Why not read the thread? joshcryer Sep 2013 #85

I read the thread, putting words into the mouths of others and posting sparkly emoticons Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #96

tridim is literally responding to said poster. joshcryer Sep 2013 #103

I can read, josh. tridim said the other posted does not support the Chem Weapons Convention Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #116

Read post 67, it supports my allegation. joshcryer Sep 2013 #119

No it does not. You are characterizing when the actual words are there to read. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #127

Anyone can read the words. I will quote them here: joshcryer Sep 2013 #130

So, you're going to pretend that AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #139

What part of SYRIA IS NOT A MEMBER is confusing to you? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #138

Is it okay for Syria to gas their people because they're not a member? tridim Sep 2013 #148

Intentionally gassing civilians? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #149

Yes, Assad is intentionally targeting and killing innocent civilians with gas weapons. nt tridim Sep 2013 #153

That allegation is not yet proven. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #154

Where is the authorization for a country to enforce the Convention without the UN? morningfog Sep 2013 #140

+1 treestar Sep 2013 #73

I just fucking lost it on that bigtree Sep 2013 #3

Un-fucking-real Baclava Sep 2013 #4

Oy! nt City Lights Sep 2013 #9

So the US isn't part of the international community? SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #126

Mr. President if that is the case... Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #5

Because the majority of the world is comfortable with dictators murdering their own people el_bryanto Sep 2013 #7

I don't agree Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #11

Where have they unified? Recently? Afghanistan? nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #33

The first Gulf War is one example Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #66

Russia consistently vetos any UN resolutions on Syria. joshcryer Sep 2013 #14

The general assembly is not the security council Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #25

Russia is the only one doing anything. joshcryer Sep 2013 #31

Russia isn't the only country opposing Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #40

China is actually calling for UN support. joshcryer Sep 2013 #45

China is playing their hand Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #106

China is a patsy for Russia. joshcryer Sep 2013 #110

Sorry not buying it Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #115

They've only vetoed 8 times. joshcryer Sep 2013 #120

The Chinese have similar interests Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #132

The UN Security Council makes it hard to wage war legally. morningfog Sep 2013 #143

Good fucking god. woo me with science Sep 2013 #6

Spare us, please. joshcryer Sep 2013 #18

Spare you what? woo me with science Sep 2013 #35

I did not say the US should "unilaterally bomb another country." joshcryer Sep 2013 #46

"if Obama continues to paint the international community as responsible for what happens in Syria, Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #68

The region of concern here isn't known for its lurid attire. joshcryer Sep 2013 #71

. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #87

. joshcryer Sep 2013 #93

I did, goof. You just deliebrately refuse to acknowledge it. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #113

The international community "started it" when they signed the CWC. joshcryer Sep 2013 #117

The international community is watching a knife fight between Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #121

Now we wait. joshcryer Sep 2013 #124

I see today's talking point is out Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #36

Depleeeeeeted uranium... whistle whistle... sibelian Sep 2013 #144

WTF! City Lights Sep 2013 #8

Incredible... NuclearDem Sep 2013 #10

98% of the world has banned chemical weapons. joshcryer Sep 2013 #12

So we go along with most of the world Go Vols Sep 2013 #75

DU is legal under the Convention on Conventional Weapons. joshcryer Sep 2013 #80

161 Countries have signed the Mine Ban Treaty, the US is one of 36 to refuse Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #105

And? joshcryer Sep 2013 #107

I see you arguing that we stand with the world on weapons issues. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #123

I still don't see the disagreement. joshcryer Sep 2013 #128

I shall clarify the situation for you. sibelian Sep 2013 #147

This should give his detractors something to whiney about for a bit snooper2 Sep 2013 #13

Yep, they're already starting it. joshcryer Sep 2013 #16

I really think it is due to the online bitching syndrome snooper2 Sep 2013 #23

It's mind boggling. joshcryer Sep 2013 #29

Part of ODS is not allowing the President to have a say treestar Sep 2013 #79

98% of the world is not against chemical weapons. former9thward Sep 2013 #86

Only 5 states are not party to the Chemical Weapons Convention. joshcryer Sep 2013 #90

Regardless of who signed what 98% of the world does not favor military action in Syria. former9thward Sep 2013 #137

"His" detractors. woo me with science Sep 2013 #27

This thread isn't about something HE said? snooper2 Sep 2013 #32

No war for ego! Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #47

That's the worst thing Obama has ever said!!!! JoePhilly Sep 2013 #17

lolz Turborama Sep 2013 #22

Isn't it time for recess? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #58

I think the Combustible Hair Club needs a nap. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #60

How strange is that. Um... Autumn Sep 2013 #19

Let's go to the video pintobean Sep 2013 #20

We are the world. Autumn Sep 2013 #26

Look at that Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #28

Yep, totally off the cuff remark. joshcryer Sep 2013 #30

He obviously never loved Obama. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #41

He's right, NEVER AGAIN! A lot of people around the world, meant it when they said, "never again!" Sunlei Sep 2013 #43

Never again WHAT? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #49

are you ignorant of world history or don't care about pesticide use on humans? Sunlei Sep 2013 #81

No, I'm not ignorant of history MNBrewer Sep 2013 #83

it is not rhetoric, to be totally against the use of pesticides against humans. Sunlei Sep 2013 #94

True fact: Use of tear gas in war is a war crime MNBrewer Sep 2013 #97

Godwin is here. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #61

Wow. polly7 Sep 2013 #52

Oh man, he's losing the plot LittleBlue Sep 2013 #55

Note to the President: GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #57

And we're not at check or mate maxsolomon Sep 2013 #63

Apparently, McCain didn't get that memo. merrily Sep 2013 #146

seems he kinda painted himself into a corner on this issue... KG Sep 2013 #64

...again. Iggo Sep 2013 #88

Himself? Or us? merrily Sep 2013 #150

So when will the world 'strike' the US for using white phosphorous in Amonester Sep 2013 #72

+1 Little Star Sep 2013 #104

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #114

Apparently we are not too be held accountable by the international community SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #135

Oh pshaw. progressoid Sep 2013 #166

I guess the Abu Graib torture is okey dokey 2. Amonester Sep 2013 #169

Which Nobel is he adding to his collection? Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #77

Good Lord! Such determination. Imagine the insane rhetoric when he gets to Iran n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #84

People who talk out of both sides of their mouth always seem so impressed with themselves. Romulox Sep 2013 #89

Then let the f**king world take care of the problem. Not the USA. ugh Little Star Sep 2013 #91

Obama reiterated an established international law bhikkhu Sep 2013 #92

What law? Little Star Sep 2013 #102

Fourth Geneva Convention and Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions. joshcryer Sep 2013 #112

Lets get one thing straight.... Little Star Sep 2013 #122

Your first statement doesn't match your second statement. joshcryer Sep 2013 #125

Oh FFS. I'm done with talking to you. Keep on drinking all the kool aide you want... Little Star Sep 2013 #131

Smart move. Dawgs Sep 2013 #157

. Little Star Sep 2013 #160

Those are the ones. Ratified in 1925, then expanded in the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention bhikkhu Sep 2013 #167

Well, it's interesting ProSense Sep 2013 #111

Um yea, he is RIGHT and I made this same point a week or 2 ago. phleshdef Sep 2013 #100

so bombing as a first option solves all the world's problems now? Baclava Sep 2013 #134

+1 nt Javaman Sep 2013 #164

Kerry yesterday Lifelong Dem Sep 2013 #133

Oh, he's a comedian now. ocpagu Sep 2013 #136

That was pretty impressive spin. polichick Sep 2013 #142

Um, yeah, Will. It's called the Geneva Convention. I think you are pretty cognizant of msanthrope Sep 2013 #151

Doesn't even have the courage of his convictions. Instead of unambiguously claiming his statement, MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #152

oh that obama and his vulcan mind tricks.. frylock Sep 2013 #163

If the world set a red line, Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #165

Here it is from his lips about a year ago whoiswithme Sep 2013 #168

I thought the world set red lines against clusterbombs and depleted uranium too n/t eridani Sep 2013 #170

+1 woo me with science Sep 2013 #171