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riderinthestorm

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74. I'll bite.

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:31 PM

Sep 2013

I've purposefully avoided this thread because I have a very limited amount of time today to post. I've got to be out the door within the next 5 minutes and wanted to spend more of my time online today debating the Syria issue than Femen.

So I'll say from the first I'll probably only make this one post, and then the inevitable onslaught will have to continue without me. As this thread has already gotten large, its going to be impossible later - if I do have time - to get back on and answer everyone about this. So by that point I'll most likely ignore it and keep going on Syria. So with that said...

I believe I've respectfully disagreed with most of you about Femen. I'm pretty sure I never mocked anyone NOR did I belittle your positions.

As far as this movie, and the guy behind Femen - honestly, I'd really like to get more info. What's presented is ugly for sure. But how do we know this is the truth? Many "documentaries" purport to be truth but as we know "facts" can be relevant and spun very easily. The OP itself is an opinion piece with even her headline a speculation. That's not very persuasive. None of us have seen the documentary so it seems premature to say its all "true".

My positions about Femen and their actions have been laid out ad nauseum in other threads about Femen. I truly don't have time to do battle (again and for the 20th time) on their techniques.

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The man who made Femen: New film outs Victor Svyatski as the mastermind behind the protest group... [View all] Recursion Sep 2013 OP

is he the one who complained the Brazilian protestors were too fat JI7 Sep 2013 #1

didn't they just pretend to be exiled from Russia when they actually moved months ago? bettyellen Sep 2013 #2

The first one didn't get enough attention so he added they were stripped Recursion Sep 2013 #11

and in one story, they get a lift part of the way- the other they walk... bettyellen Sep 2013 #16

A few months back, I started an OP about this guy but never posted it� Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #3

dudes thought it was just a lucky coincidence they were thin w/ blonde hair extensions, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #4

"They're Russian which is why they're all attractive" Recursion Sep 2013 #9

oh, that shit would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. bettyellen Sep 2013 #10

Not just called them bitches but screamed the word at them Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #14

Flawless logic. redqueen Sep 2013 #34

I kinda said the same and ended up a three day outrage or more seabeyond Sep 2013 #5

Hi seabeyond :) Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #6

And you were treated like shit, mocked in a most cruel manner Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #15

i think the adm feels if i were just nicer, then people would not pile on. you know... say what a seabeyond Sep 2013 #30

Not much love for a post that reveals Femen is a fraud. Hmmm. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #7

Well, in the post-Warhol world, the line between gimmick and fraud Recursion Sep 2013 #8

leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. Don't think I posted on a single thread dealing with Femen. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #12

Yeah, I've mostly avoided Femen threads Recursion Sep 2013 #13

And this just makes it harder for the truly "sex-positive" (i.e. in favor of healthy sexuality) nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #109

find me a feminist... anywhere, who is not in favor of a healthy sexuality. seabeyond Sep 2013 #133

Barring a few extreme exceptions, you're probably right. And I never meant to suggest otherwise. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #142

exactly- faux liberation. Blows my mind that while controlled by this guy, they had the nerve to bettyellen Sep 2013 #145

I think that since they auditioned, were paid, and given dumb slogans to parrot bettyellen Sep 2013 #19

A modern movement of "sex positive" (snort) feminism built by a man who Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #21

p riot. created by a couple men. that also like to use the women in degrading porn films.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #31

I think the tell was putting down or ignoring women activists already working on the ground... bettyellen Sep 2013 #39

"created by a couple men" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #82

ha. lol. you have to see this video. LUV it. seabeyond Sep 2013 #83

Amina left them also and called them out on their bigotry JI7 Sep 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Bonobo Sep 2013 #18

I'm shocked BainsBane Sep 2013 #20

Weren't you a Femen supporter. Forgive me if I am wrong. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #22

I had concerns BainsBane Sep 2013 #23

Thank you. Most likely I had you confused with someone else. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #24

I didn't trash them or anything BainsBane Sep 2013 #25

No no. I did a google search and I totally had you confused with someone else. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #26

Gosh, and I was told that I must hate women because I thought the group was a joke Scootaloo Sep 2013 #27

A lot of bile was directed to those who suspected their methods. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #28

Funny how much of that came from people BainsBane Sep 2013 #33

Yeah, what is with the passive-aggressive shit anyway? You would expect it on, say, an MRA blog. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #110

there are men's rights types on DU also JI7 Sep 2013 #111

Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. They may not be as blatant as others elsewhere (due to the TOS) nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #112

Some of them are pretty blatant. BainsBane Sep 2013 #114

Dancing ever so close to the line that they know they'd be banned for crossing. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #115

Honestly, I find it pathetic BainsBane Sep 2013 #116

Not a coincidence BainsBane Sep 2013 #113

Probably told this by those who had no idea why they were protesting or didn't acknowledge bettyellen Sep 2013 #35

did you really expect them to get past the boobs? which was the argument in the first place seabeyond Sep 2013 #36

proved our point, by making jokes about "two points". yeah- it was Beevis and Butthead time at DU bettyellen Sep 2013 #37

naturally, i could not agree with you more. but... if only i were nicer. seabeyond Sep 2013 #40

looking forward to more of your posts. stay strong, and fuck em if they can't handle some honesty. bettyellen Sep 2013 #42

thank you. seabeyond Sep 2013 #43

Even if I always disagreed with you- I would admire you for that. bettyellen Sep 2013 #45

. seabeyond Sep 2013 #47

there are a few here who aggravate me with what I think are wrong headed ideas, but.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #59

agreed. i like the good old days that we could respectfully agree to disagree. seabeyond Sep 2013 #60

LOL. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. MadrasT Sep 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #32

here's hoping our local radio reporter does a follow up interview- it's only fair. bettyellen Sep 2013 #38

Excuses are already being made... Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #46

ha ha, we are being led? and not the dudes who ogled and refused to think more deeply about their bettyellen Sep 2013 #53

I've already asked for comment. I'm pretty suspicious of this particular person's take, but we'll stevenleser Sep 2013 #52

Which part makes you suspicious? Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #54

All of it. I just heard back from Inna Schevchenko, I'm interviewing her this evening stevenleser Sep 2013 #62

Why aren't you speaking to the film maker? Do you have clips? bettyellen Sep 2013 #65

See my #66 stevenleser Sep 2013 #67

You might want to read this 2009 interview with Victor before Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #69

and I suggest asking her which of the versions of her lost in the woods story is true.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #70

Good to hear- perhaps you can reach out to this film maker too? bettyellen Sep 2013 #63

I'm undecided on that. I feel like that filmmaker has said what they have to say via the film. stevenleser Sep 2013 #66

Not sure why you a reluctant to call Ina on her bullshit, or introduce anything about the film- bettyellen Sep 2013 #68

"Not sure why..." really? lol, you are not sure why? seabeyond Sep 2013 #76

if you're a journalist and your research shows the person is telling multiple versions of a story... bettyellen Sep 2013 #79

gives her the mike with a lot of pictures of tits. i agree. what will it be. seabeyond Sep 2013 #81

Maybe you could also ask her about"blood in the streets" with matriarchy being the outcome. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #85

OMG, she should write for the Onion....or cal it performance art. because having men in your thrall bettyellen Sep 2013 #89

This plus 1000000 Dorian Gray Sep 2013 #144

�I TOLD YOU SO ... SUCKERS� seabeyond Sep 2013 #41

"Feminism isn�t here to give you a boner." Also bettyellen Sep 2013 #44

WE TOLD YOU AND WE ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND ALWAYS. seabeyond Sep 2013 #48

I didn't pay attention to the threads before Recursion Sep 2013 #56

I knew it. This is not what it appears to be. stevenleser Sep 2013 #87

You missed all but one question. And never explained any important details. bettyellen Sep 2013 #147

I'm noticing a distinct absence of a few posters on this thread. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #49

hmmm.... hmmm.... hmmm.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #50

They are waiting for someone to publish a half way decent explanation, so they can spam bettyellen Sep 2013 #55

i am seeing that. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #58

But but but....bewbs! Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #57

yup. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #61

I'll bite. riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #74

hey. and being on the total other side.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #77

I honestly didn't have you in mind when I made that crack, rider. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #84

I don't think anyone was thinking of you. bettyellen Sep 2013 #107

k&r x 1,000 Little Star Sep 2013 #51

Interesting 2009 interview with Victor Svyatski and Anna Hustol Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #64

$$$! they give us $$$ And we attach "any issue" to erotica. Such dedication to their cause- $$$$. bettyellen Sep 2013 #71

IF Steve asks her about that. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #72

IF Steve is actually a journalist, he will. bettyellen Sep 2013 #80

porn... lookie. all about porn. my fuckin god. so funny. porn to make a buck. seabeyond Sep 2013 #78

. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #73

I've posted related info in another thread previously: ocpagu Sep 2013 #75

Interesting - looks like many folks missed that (including me) MadrasT Sep 2013 #86

thanks, anyone who could look at their photo ops and believe there was no casting at all is bettyellen Sep 2013 #93

I don't even need to read the link dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #128

I knew it, this is not what it appears to be. stevenleser Sep 2013 #88

cannot wait to read the full unedited transcript, it's a shame you didn't wait to see the film bettyellen Sep 2013 #90

I wanted to see what she had to say first to see if there was a reason to have her on along with the stevenleser Sep 2013 #91

so film footage is less credible than someone who has been spewing multiple versions of bettyellen Sep 2013 #92

No. And I have said as much as I am going to say about a story I havent aired yet. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #94

Fair enough, cannot wait to read the full transcript. bettyellen Sep 2013 #95

Due to my interview with P.J. Crowley running over, I had to cut the interview way down, but here is stevenleser Sep 2013 #117

It says edited down- so that would not be a full interview, would it? bettyellen Sep 2013 #118

The edited down is my own nomenclature it means stevenleser Sep 2013 #120

Prove it, Steve. Her interviews about her history with that guy are out there already. Sorry if you bettyellen Sep 2013 #121

You prove it. I have her words on an interview. What do you have? nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #122

for starters- you did not address ANY of the serious issues that have been brought up by bettyellen Sep 2013 #125

LOL, what a joke that article is! Just like your comments on them. That isnt the issue here at all stevenleser Sep 2013 #127

Inna says she used to be a downtrodden wimp controlled by a man up till last year. except they are bettyellen Sep 2013 #130

LMAO the comments to that article say it all. Author forced it with no facts to back him up. stevenleser Sep 2013 #131

you didn't notice Inna gave you no facts? She claimed she left Ukraine because of secret police, bettyellen Sep 2013 #134

you compare a woman that merely strips and says little to people like MLK and Malcom X? really? seabeyond Sep 2013 #136

No, I compared their supporters. Nice try though... not. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #96

That doesn't fit with her statement this week that he "sparked" the bettyellen Sep 2013 #97

"... we just accepted the fact of a man taking control of us. We accepted this because redqueen Sep 2013 #98

Really- this dude was involved up till 3-4 weeks ago... bettyellen Sep 2013 #99

Yep, sadder still is how many self-described feminists were so easily taken in. redqueen Sep 2013 #100

I understand the impulse to want to believe the idea bettyellen Sep 2013 #101

i do for many reasons. seabeyond Sep 2013 #106

yes. there is what you say. really betty, that is the lamest, stupidest statement i have heard seabeyond Sep 2013 #104

"I guess flashing her boobs didn't help with that particular problem." and then there is that. lol seabeyond Sep 2013 #103

It doesn't work so well when it's he who hold the purse, casts the photo ops.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #105

so tricky to be the victim, yet strong adn independent, and dependent all wrapped up in an excuse. seabeyond Sep 2013 #102

Part of the interview is downloaded. I can't believe Steve is holding out and edited out the most bettyellen Sep 2013 #119

None of the interview was edited. You assumed that with no evidence. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #123

Then you lied when you said you asked her about her inconsistent stories? bettyellen Sep 2013 #124

Nice dodge of responsibility for an incorrect assumption. What inconsistent stories? Link? nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #126

You already have all the examples you need Steve, do you know ANYTHING about this group aside from bettyellen Sep 2013 #132

Hmmm, lets see, well, I've actually talked to them. You keep running into that point don't you? stevenleser Sep 2013 #138

it;s the FIRST time I mentioned tits. Only because you are willfully blind. So Inna and some gals bettyellen Sep 2013 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #143

Yeah, don't waste your bandwidth- unless you need a good laugh. It is pathetic for her to cry bettyellen Sep 2013 #146

arent people proving that is exactly what they are? i mean, .... ya know. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #148

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Bahahahahahahahah!!!!! Squinch Sep 2013 #129

you have to hear her new interview- the most pathetic BS story ever. bettyellen Sep 2013 #135

I always said they had to be one of two things: either 1)geniuses who were doing Squinch Sep 2013 #139

3) desperate to GTF outta Kiev and hopefully make some bucks without working, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #141