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seabeyond

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77. hey. and being on the total other side....

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:36 PM

Sep 2013

i think i have always been respectful to you and probably not even addressing your posts when you discussed femen. i value and respect you much. and you and i totally disagree on this issue. when throwing out the suckers..... your face comes up and i want to say, not you riderinthestorm. love you. and not talking to you.

agree to disagree works for me as i said in a post above. just wanted to say something. because i have read your posts on this issue and i respect what you were saying. your heart was with the women, all women. that matters. it was clear.

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The man who made Femen: New film outs Victor Svyatski as the mastermind behind the protest group... [View all] Recursion Sep 2013 OP

is he the one who complained the Brazilian protestors were too fat JI7 Sep 2013 #1

didn't they just pretend to be exiled from Russia when they actually moved months ago? bettyellen Sep 2013 #2

The first one didn't get enough attention so he added they were stripped Recursion Sep 2013 #11

and in one story, they get a lift part of the way- the other they walk... bettyellen Sep 2013 #16

A few months back, I started an OP about this guy but never posted it� Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #3

dudes thought it was just a lucky coincidence they were thin w/ blonde hair extensions, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #4

"They're Russian which is why they're all attractive" Recursion Sep 2013 #9

oh, that shit would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. bettyellen Sep 2013 #10

Not just called them bitches but screamed the word at them Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #14

Flawless logic. redqueen Sep 2013 #34

I kinda said the same and ended up a three day outrage or more seabeyond Sep 2013 #5

Hi seabeyond :) Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #6

And you were treated like shit, mocked in a most cruel manner Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #15

i think the adm feels if i were just nicer, then people would not pile on. you know... say what a seabeyond Sep 2013 #30

Not much love for a post that reveals Femen is a fraud. Hmmm. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #7

Well, in the post-Warhol world, the line between gimmick and fraud Recursion Sep 2013 #8

leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. Don't think I posted on a single thread dealing with Femen. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #12

Yeah, I've mostly avoided Femen threads Recursion Sep 2013 #13

And this just makes it harder for the truly "sex-positive" (i.e. in favor of healthy sexuality) nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #109

find me a feminist... anywhere, who is not in favor of a healthy sexuality. seabeyond Sep 2013 #133

Barring a few extreme exceptions, you're probably right. And I never meant to suggest otherwise. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #142

exactly- faux liberation. Blows my mind that while controlled by this guy, they had the nerve to bettyellen Sep 2013 #145

I think that since they auditioned, were paid, and given dumb slogans to parrot bettyellen Sep 2013 #19

A modern movement of "sex positive" (snort) feminism built by a man who Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #21

p riot. created by a couple men. that also like to use the women in degrading porn films.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #31

I think the tell was putting down or ignoring women activists already working on the ground... bettyellen Sep 2013 #39

"created by a couple men" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #82

ha. lol. you have to see this video. LUV it. seabeyond Sep 2013 #83

Amina left them also and called them out on their bigotry JI7 Sep 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Bonobo Sep 2013 #18

I'm shocked BainsBane Sep 2013 #20

Weren't you a Femen supporter. Forgive me if I am wrong. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #22

I had concerns BainsBane Sep 2013 #23

Thank you. Most likely I had you confused with someone else. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #24

I didn't trash them or anything BainsBane Sep 2013 #25

No no. I did a google search and I totally had you confused with someone else. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #26

Gosh, and I was told that I must hate women because I thought the group was a joke Scootaloo Sep 2013 #27

A lot of bile was directed to those who suspected their methods. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #28

Funny how much of that came from people BainsBane Sep 2013 #33

Yeah, what is with the passive-aggressive shit anyway? You would expect it on, say, an MRA blog. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #110

there are men's rights types on DU also JI7 Sep 2013 #111

Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. They may not be as blatant as others elsewhere (due to the TOS) nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #112

Some of them are pretty blatant. BainsBane Sep 2013 #114

Dancing ever so close to the line that they know they'd be banned for crossing. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #115

Honestly, I find it pathetic BainsBane Sep 2013 #116

Not a coincidence BainsBane Sep 2013 #113

Probably told this by those who had no idea why they were protesting or didn't acknowledge bettyellen Sep 2013 #35

did you really expect them to get past the boobs? which was the argument in the first place seabeyond Sep 2013 #36

proved our point, by making jokes about "two points". yeah- it was Beevis and Butthead time at DU bettyellen Sep 2013 #37

naturally, i could not agree with you more. but... if only i were nicer. seabeyond Sep 2013 #40

looking forward to more of your posts. stay strong, and fuck em if they can't handle some honesty. bettyellen Sep 2013 #42

thank you. seabeyond Sep 2013 #43

Even if I always disagreed with you- I would admire you for that. bettyellen Sep 2013 #45

. seabeyond Sep 2013 #47

there are a few here who aggravate me with what I think are wrong headed ideas, but.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #59

agreed. i like the good old days that we could respectfully agree to disagree. seabeyond Sep 2013 #60

LOL. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. MadrasT Sep 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #32

here's hoping our local radio reporter does a follow up interview- it's only fair. bettyellen Sep 2013 #38

Excuses are already being made... Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #46

ha ha, we are being led? and not the dudes who ogled and refused to think more deeply about their bettyellen Sep 2013 #53

I've already asked for comment. I'm pretty suspicious of this particular person's take, but we'll stevenleser Sep 2013 #52

Which part makes you suspicious? Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #54

All of it. I just heard back from Inna Schevchenko, I'm interviewing her this evening stevenleser Sep 2013 #62

Why aren't you speaking to the film maker? Do you have clips? bettyellen Sep 2013 #65

See my #66 stevenleser Sep 2013 #67

You might want to read this 2009 interview with Victor before Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #69

and I suggest asking her which of the versions of her lost in the woods story is true.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #70

Good to hear- perhaps you can reach out to this film maker too? bettyellen Sep 2013 #63

I'm undecided on that. I feel like that filmmaker has said what they have to say via the film. stevenleser Sep 2013 #66

Not sure why you a reluctant to call Ina on her bullshit, or introduce anything about the film- bettyellen Sep 2013 #68

"Not sure why..." really? lol, you are not sure why? seabeyond Sep 2013 #76

if you're a journalist and your research shows the person is telling multiple versions of a story... bettyellen Sep 2013 #79

gives her the mike with a lot of pictures of tits. i agree. what will it be. seabeyond Sep 2013 #81

Maybe you could also ask her about"blood in the streets" with matriarchy being the outcome. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #85

OMG, she should write for the Onion....or cal it performance art. because having men in your thrall bettyellen Sep 2013 #89

This plus 1000000 Dorian Gray Sep 2013 #144

�I TOLD YOU SO ... SUCKERS� seabeyond Sep 2013 #41

"Feminism isn�t here to give you a boner." Also bettyellen Sep 2013 #44

WE TOLD YOU AND WE ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND ALWAYS. seabeyond Sep 2013 #48

I didn't pay attention to the threads before Recursion Sep 2013 #56

I knew it. This is not what it appears to be. stevenleser Sep 2013 #87

You missed all but one question. And never explained any important details. bettyellen Sep 2013 #147

I'm noticing a distinct absence of a few posters on this thread. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #49

hmmm.... hmmm.... hmmm.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #50

They are waiting for someone to publish a half way decent explanation, so they can spam bettyellen Sep 2013 #55

i am seeing that. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #58

But but but....bewbs! Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #57

yup. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #61

I'll bite. riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #74

hey. and being on the total other side.... seabeyond Sep 2013 #77

I honestly didn't have you in mind when I made that crack, rider. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #84

I don't think anyone was thinking of you. bettyellen Sep 2013 #107

k&r x 1,000 Little Star Sep 2013 #51

Interesting 2009 interview with Victor Svyatski and Anna Hustol Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #64

$$$! they give us $$$ And we attach "any issue" to erotica. Such dedication to their cause- $$$$. bettyellen Sep 2013 #71

IF Steve asks her about that. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #72

IF Steve is actually a journalist, he will. bettyellen Sep 2013 #80

porn... lookie. all about porn. my fuckin god. so funny. porn to make a buck. seabeyond Sep 2013 #78

. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #73

I've posted related info in another thread previously: ocpagu Sep 2013 #75

Interesting - looks like many folks missed that (including me) MadrasT Sep 2013 #86

thanks, anyone who could look at their photo ops and believe there was no casting at all is bettyellen Sep 2013 #93

I don't even need to read the link dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #128

I knew it, this is not what it appears to be. stevenleser Sep 2013 #88

cannot wait to read the full unedited transcript, it's a shame you didn't wait to see the film bettyellen Sep 2013 #90

I wanted to see what she had to say first to see if there was a reason to have her on along with the stevenleser Sep 2013 #91

so film footage is less credible than someone who has been spewing multiple versions of bettyellen Sep 2013 #92

No. And I have said as much as I am going to say about a story I havent aired yet. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #94

Fair enough, cannot wait to read the full transcript. bettyellen Sep 2013 #95

Due to my interview with P.J. Crowley running over, I had to cut the interview way down, but here is stevenleser Sep 2013 #117

It says edited down- so that would not be a full interview, would it? bettyellen Sep 2013 #118

The edited down is my own nomenclature it means stevenleser Sep 2013 #120

Prove it, Steve. Her interviews about her history with that guy are out there already. Sorry if you bettyellen Sep 2013 #121

You prove it. I have her words on an interview. What do you have? nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #122

for starters- you did not address ANY of the serious issues that have been brought up by bettyellen Sep 2013 #125

LOL, what a joke that article is! Just like your comments on them. That isnt the issue here at all stevenleser Sep 2013 #127

Inna says she used to be a downtrodden wimp controlled by a man up till last year. except they are bettyellen Sep 2013 #130

LMAO the comments to that article say it all. Author forced it with no facts to back him up. stevenleser Sep 2013 #131

you didn't notice Inna gave you no facts? She claimed she left Ukraine because of secret police, bettyellen Sep 2013 #134

you compare a woman that merely strips and says little to people like MLK and Malcom X? really? seabeyond Sep 2013 #136

No, I compared their supporters. Nice try though... not. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #96

That doesn't fit with her statement this week that he "sparked" the bettyellen Sep 2013 #97

"... we just accepted the fact of a man taking control of us. We accepted this because redqueen Sep 2013 #98

Really- this dude was involved up till 3-4 weeks ago... bettyellen Sep 2013 #99

Yep, sadder still is how many self-described feminists were so easily taken in. redqueen Sep 2013 #100

I understand the impulse to want to believe the idea bettyellen Sep 2013 #101

i do for many reasons. seabeyond Sep 2013 #106

yes. there is what you say. really betty, that is the lamest, stupidest statement i have heard seabeyond Sep 2013 #104

"I guess flashing her boobs didn't help with that particular problem." and then there is that. lol seabeyond Sep 2013 #103

It doesn't work so well when it's he who hold the purse, casts the photo ops.... bettyellen Sep 2013 #105

so tricky to be the victim, yet strong adn independent, and dependent all wrapped up in an excuse. seabeyond Sep 2013 #102

Part of the interview is downloaded. I can't believe Steve is holding out and edited out the most bettyellen Sep 2013 #119

None of the interview was edited. You assumed that with no evidence. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #123

Then you lied when you said you asked her about her inconsistent stories? bettyellen Sep 2013 #124

Nice dodge of responsibility for an incorrect assumption. What inconsistent stories? Link? nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #126

You already have all the examples you need Steve, do you know ANYTHING about this group aside from bettyellen Sep 2013 #132

Hmmm, lets see, well, I've actually talked to them. You keep running into that point don't you? stevenleser Sep 2013 #138

it;s the FIRST time I mentioned tits. Only because you are willfully blind. So Inna and some gals bettyellen Sep 2013 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Sep 2013 #143

Yeah, don't waste your bandwidth- unless you need a good laugh. It is pathetic for her to cry bettyellen Sep 2013 #146

arent people proving that is exactly what they are? i mean, .... ya know. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #148

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Bahahahahahahahah!!!!! Squinch Sep 2013 #129

you have to hear her new interview- the most pathetic BS story ever. bettyellen Sep 2013 #135

I always said they had to be one of two things: either 1)geniuses who were doing Squinch Sep 2013 #139

3) desperate to GTF outta Kiev and hopefully make some bucks without working, LOL. bettyellen Sep 2013 #141