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IronLionZion

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118. And since then?

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:15 PM

Sep 2013

I like to think people in our party have learned from Johnson's mistakes. And Vietnam regrets bothered him so much that he died a few years later.

And to that point, Truman ended the last world war with weapons of mass destruction. There won't be another global ground war like that one ever again.

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John Kerry is a Good Man [View all] alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 OP

Last refuge of corporate neocon/neolib talking points: woo me with science Sep 2013 #1

+1000 forestpath Sep 2013 #2

And the attacks lobbed against Kerry weren't personal Skidmore Sep 2013 #3

Preach brutha! Adrahil Sep 2013 #143

You noticed that, huh? RC Sep 2013 #155

LOL, like you never "make it personal"... SPARE US phleshdef Sep 2013 #13

+1,000 nt MADem Sep 2013 #46

"Thread to mourn the passing of the soul of John Kerry" isn't personal? Isn't hate? pnwmom Sep 2013 #36

+1 Marr Sep 2013 #42

Wrong - the op differentiated between policy and individual karynnj Sep 2013 #56

+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #66

Ok, how about he's a kinder, nicer, more loving, War-mongering Devil. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #83

I preferred his testimony before Congress in 1971 ripcord Sep 2013 #106

Nailed It. bvar22 Sep 2013 #111

+10,000 (NT) Zavulon Sep 2013 #150

I have nno problem with disagreeing. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #4

So he's a good man, who keeps voting for PNAC wars time and time again? Sorry, not buying it. reformist2 Sep 2013 #5

He's a fucking sell-out... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #6

Why is it an outrage that Teresa Heinz Kerry was there? karynnj Sep 2013 #58

Because, it had nothing to do with justice and everything to do with... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #85

I seriously do not understand your logic karynnj Sep 2013 #88

Think about it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #93

The real outrage was that Flag pin he was wearing... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #62

Any of them wearing it at this point is an embarrassment... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #86

I judge a man by his actions. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #7

I think you are NOT - you completely ignore his 8years of engaging blm Sep 2013 #21

John Kerry could have been working on this for 100 years. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #24

You claim he is deliberately lying. You refuse context. blm Sep 2013 #34

Fuck, blm, give it up. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #47

And, armed with words referencing other conflicts, wisteria Sep 2013 #72

Your glowing, emotional, non-rational response notwithstanding, OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #90

Horsepoo - yours is the under-informed, irrational response. blm Sep 2013 #97

You ignored the white phosphorus used in Fallujah. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #107

Take it up with TeamClinton - they were the ones protecting Bush blm Sep 2013 #108

Give up to the LIES being spread about Kerry? No. Lazyminded people blm Sep 2013 #94

YOU keep throwing your little tantrum. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #98

Baloney - Because I see a BIGGER picture on Snowden's role, and don't accept blm Sep 2013 #100

I guess it was Kerry's little secret then. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #82

The press DIDN'T CARE. The RW media, however, targeted him blm Sep 2013 #96

Do you get that his work has been resolving conflict... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #65

Which conflicts has he resolved? nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #74

You'd have been happy if we had a full on war in Syria in 2005? blm Sep 2013 #101

Bullshit, we were already spread to the breaking point. No way a front was going TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #132

Then you don't know how close we were. blm Sep 2013 #137

Fingers in their ears, blm. David Zephyr Sep 2013 #130

Exactly. Truth matters. blm Sep 2013 #138

Other than your "gut" what backs up your feeling that he's lying? Adrahil Sep 2013 #144

Thank you mcar Sep 2013 #8

+1 Hekate Sep 2013 #12

You ain't kidding. jessie04 Sep 2013 #30

Exactly. He is a good man. Conflict resolution has been his life's work. And... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #35

I don't hate John Kerry personally. But I do hate the policy that he is advocating totodeinhere Sep 2013 #128

FWIW, I haven't noticed hateful posts... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #131

Absolutely. Grateful for Hope Sep 2013 #38

I think he is a good man. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #9

"You're all better than that." Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #10

No forum does hair on fire hyperbole better sufrommich Sep 2013 #11

Truly lumpy Sep 2013 #41

Ya know, I've been here for ten liberalhistorian Sep 2013 #61

I'm only going to slightly disagree. No remotely credible forum does hair on fire hyperbole better.. stevenleser Sep 2013 #141

Thanks for that, alcibiades. Hekate Sep 2013 #14

I'm bordered by these Noble men allowing themselves Hutzpa Sep 2013 #15

I disagree, I thank they have something on Kerry and it must be a whopper. Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #16

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #25

Most people are good. Most politicians are people. bhikkhu Sep 2013 #49

Are you being serious? wisteria Sep 2013 #75

Yes Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #120

I neither know or particularly care cali Sep 2013 #17

He is pushing for a humanitarian strike. wisteria Sep 2013 #73

"humanitarian strike" progressoid Sep 2013 #95

A 'humanitarian strike' based on 'military intelligence' :) - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #148

Anyone with the GALL to use the phrase "humanitarian bombing" woo me with science Sep 2013 #105

+10000 intersectionality Sep 2013 #121

We're going to liberate the fuck out of those Syrians - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #152

fresh frozen jumbo humanitarian strike frylock Sep 2013 #126

Thanks so much. I agree. babylonsister Sep 2013 #18

Kerry is proof that ProSense Sep 2013 #19

LOL, anyone who disagrees with ANYTHING Obama does will be venomously attacked by you! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #23

Reality lumpy Sep 2013 #43

Kerry is proof that anyone who voted for invading Iraq to find WMDs will have a hard time Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #104

+Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #153

The fact that he IS a good man makes me weep all the more. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #20

He believes what the administration tells him to believe. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #22

How could a 'good man' be a politician? n/t leftstreet Sep 2013 #26

Puh-leese shenmue Sep 2013 #29

Politicians do not make up the 'government' leftstreet Sep 2013 #33

This is DU shenmue Sep 2013 #27

The ant-government people think we can exist with decisions I guess. lumpy Sep 2013 #44

who are the ant-government (sic) people here that are against the war? frylock Sep 2013 #127

Thank you. + 1,000,000 jessie04 Sep 2013 #28

Thank you. nt. MH1 Sep 2013 #31

He just had a Colin Powell moment Hydra Sep 2013 #32

This post makes a lot of sense. Maedhros Sep 2013 #123

"The evil that men do lives after them; The good HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #154

tyvm! Hydra Sep 2013 #157

why do you love Iran so much?! MisterP Sep 2013 #37

I disagree. QuestForSense Sep 2013 #39

Oye. The same Kerry who protested babylonsister Sep 2013 #53

The same Kerry who makes a lot of money off of defense contracts OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #68

Yeah - Heinz and Pepsi products on bases are HUGE warmongering blm Sep 2013 #109

Yes, he is. QuestForSense Sep 2013 #92

Exactly, alcibiades_mystery. All this "Kerry has no soul".. Cha Sep 2013 #40

And that is the truth. Wonder how some of these people would respond to Canada being lumpy Sep 2013 #45

I agree with this post. Let's dial it back a bit. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #48

+1000% marble falls Sep 2013 #50

He is an honourable man ! Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #51

The ones spouting the ugliest crap are the least well informed. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #52

But he ate dinner with Assad!!11! DINNER!!1!!1...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #54

It's character assisination, plain and simple. baldguy Sep 2013 #55

I grant you this...you are a thinking person who is trying to KoKo Sep 2013 #57

As a MA resident, I've had the opportunity to meet him many times graywarrior Sep 2013 #59

How DARE you post this crap graywarrior Sep 2013 #129

Kerry was an empty suit back in '04, fall guy for George W. Bush blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #60

Baloney. blm Sep 2013 #102

K&R. David Zephyr Sep 2013 #63

K&R. And it was nice to come home to your post as well, DZ. freshwest Sep 2013 #67

Huzzah! Thank you. cheapdate Sep 2013 #64

I do not share your opinion regarding stiking Syria, but wisteria Sep 2013 #69

"You're all better than that." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #70

if he truely believes the US should be involved syria then not only is he not a good man bowens43 Sep 2013 #71

Ok, so he's not an asshole LibAsHell Sep 2013 #76

K & R Iliyah Sep 2013 #77

Kick for civility politicasista Sep 2013 #78

The Kerry of today is consistent with the Kerry of the 60's. lexington filly Sep 2013 #79

Were you saying the same thing in the 60's? MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #87

I Doubt John Kerry Threw His Speech in the Air On the Road Sep 2013 #80

"John Kerry is a Good Man" ... Damn straight he is a good man Botany Sep 2013 #81

Kerry is a warmongering scoundrel. Old Union Guy Sep 2013 #84

Kerry would have to be an idiot to be sincere in the arguments he is making, and he isn't an idiot. yurbud Sep 2013 #89

Or maybe he knows what he's talking about, and you can't accept that. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #91

I am not going to treat a politician different because he has a "D" after his name. 1awake Sep 2013 #99

I reread the OP several times. It says nothing about doing that. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #142

Sincerely, coming from you this sentiment carries a great deal of of weight Turborama Sep 2013 #103

Thanks alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #115

A good man who voted for the Iraq War Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #110

Just curious, but... bvar22 Sep 2013 #112

Was a good man. morningfog Sep 2013 #113

It's the same thing they said about Colin Powell... Romulox Sep 2013 #114

I doubt either Kerry or Obama would have sinister motives IronLionZion Sep 2013 #116

"Democrats do it with far less civilian casualties." Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #117

And since then? IronLionZion Sep 2013 #118

What do you think has been learned and why? TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #134

The Powers That Be have also learned to control the media Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #135

LBJ made his mistakes in Vietnam but by 1968 he wanted out and tried to do so but .... Botany Sep 2013 #140

He's lost something. You can pick what. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #119

So by Kerry's rational Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #124

How dare you take a moderately measured stand! JohnnyRingo Sep 2013 #122

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2013 #125

I used to think so. I voted for him for President. Beausoir Sep 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #136

Facts my ASS! Kerry testified he has 100% certainty about future. That's witchcraft, not facts. Coyotl Sep 2013 #139

+1000 BklnDem75 Sep 2013 #145

John Kerry has the blood of 1,000,000 Iraqis on his hands. Once you get past that, yeah, HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #146

Bullshit. Kerry ProSense Sep 2013 #147

In 2004 on the campaign trail, Kerry said he would have voted to attack Iraq even if he HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #149

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #151

The November 2002 vote is defensible. Going to war after the March 2003 UN Weapons inspector reports stevenleser Sep 2013 #156