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In reply to the discussion: 350 children die from malnutrition every hour. Let's bomb Syria! [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)32. Well I hope they're a bit more discriminate than they were in Libya.
But back then I heard the exact same thing ..... "show me where NATO is indiscriminately bombing anyone".
But the shine was, from the start, an illusion, as Maximilian Forte proves in his important new book, Slouching Towards Sirte. Forte thoroughly chronicles NATOs bombing of Libya and the crimes against humanity for which NATO is responsible. The author takes us on a tour of Sirte after it had been subject to intense NATO bombardment by chronicling journalists impressions of the city in October 2011. Reporters observed, Nothing could survive in here for very long, that the city was reduced to rubble, a ghost town filled with the stench of death and where bodies litter the streets, that it was a place almost without an intact building, whose infrastructure simply ceased to exist, and resembled Ypres in 1915, or Grozny in 1995, or postwar Leningrad, Gaza or Beirut.
Forte describes numerous NATO operations which, he argues, rose to the level of war crimes. For example, he discusses a NATO strike on a farming compound in the town of Majer on 8 August 2011. A Human Rights Watch investigation concluded that NATO fired on the compound twice, the second time killing 34 civilians who had come to look for survivors a tactic familiar to those who follow US drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemenand found no evidence that the target had been used for military purposes. In its examination of five sites where NATO caused civilian casualties, the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) found that at four of those sites NATOs characterization of the targets as command and control nodes or troop staging areas was not reflected in evidence at the scene and witness testimony. In view of these and other killings of civilians by NATO, Palestinian lawyer Raji Sourani remarks that the Independent Civil Society Mission to Libya of which he was a part has reason to think that there were some war crimes perpetrated by NATO. Through this method, Forte shows the fundamental contradiction of humanitarian wars: they kill people to ensure that people are not killed.
Forte describes numerous NATO operations which, he argues, rose to the level of war crimes. For example, he discusses a NATO strike on a farming compound in the town of Majer on 8 August 2011. A Human Rights Watch investigation concluded that NATO fired on the compound twice, the second time killing 34 civilians who had come to look for survivors a tactic familiar to those who follow US drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemenand found no evidence that the target had been used for military purposes. In its examination of five sites where NATO caused civilian casualties, the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) found that at four of those sites NATOs characterization of the targets as command and control nodes or troop staging areas was not reflected in evidence at the scene and witness testimony. In view of these and other killings of civilians by NATO, Palestinian lawyer Raji Sourani remarks that the Independent Civil Society Mission to Libya of which he was a part has reason to think that there were some war crimes perpetrated by NATO. Through this method, Forte shows the fundamental contradiction of humanitarian wars: they kill people to ensure that people are not killed.
- See more at: http://jacobinmag.com/2013/09/libya-and-its-contexts/#sthash.csru0XyE.V2XT4Rru.dpuf
You can fool yourself when you state dropping bombs won't maim and kill civilians but I doubt you'll find many here that will fall for it.
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350 children die from malnutrition every hour. Let's bomb Syria! [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Sep 2013
OP
No, he's saying we could do MORE with the money we waste on throwing missiles at people
Scootaloo
Sep 2013
#6
You have NEVER heard me use the phrase "bomb them back to the stone age"
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#24
No, but I did just get done speaking with a 35k+ poster who advocated exactly that
Scootaloo
Sep 2013
#26
Really, are you having this much difficulty understanding the principles of physics?
Scootaloo
Sep 2013
#73
Same Military...with a CiC that didn't give a shit about collateral damage...
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#129
As a matter of fact...here is another article...this time from USA today:
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#68
You don't have to believe...I just gave an article from the BBS to back up my claim...
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#58
as I told you before, lovely dream where weapons are destroyed and no one killed,
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#67
killing hundreds if not thousands more will not change his mind, it will escalate to more killing
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#143
Clearly, but you would think they would do their work without appearing so silly and stupid....
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#163
I always equated "Pro War" with the conservatives. I would hope Democrats would
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#138
Sure trust us this time Charlie Brown. We are only going to use bombs for goodness. nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#150
because we are the only ones with the technology to neutralize chemical weapons.
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#86
How the hell would THEY know about all the secret technology we have...
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#120
That would be quite an operation if they attempted to pull it off. Note that the quote specifies
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#135
Of course they didn't if you happen to read...you will see that much is available through sat images
VanillaRhapsody
Sep 2013
#77
Assad has been moving military assets to civilian areas. It won't be possible to hit his military
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#64
Syria dismisses US decision to hold off on strikes, moves troops and weapons to civilian areas
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#84
"we plan on actual non human targets".........and the day after ?.... then what ?
NM_Birder
Sep 2013
#142
I've posted this on other threads, but it looks like it needs to go here as well.
Maedhros
Sep 2013
#158
Well, see, feeding starving children will not line the pockets of the banks and contractors.
PDJane
Sep 2013
#7
No, we really don't. What we mostly do is label corporate welfare humanitarian aid.
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2013
#19
What, you mean like feed the children with the bodies of our dead bombing victims?
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#87
There Is No Profit In Feeding The Starving... Bombing The Innocent... Oh, Yeah...
WillyT
Sep 2013
#28
Obama is not a judge, and certainly not a "judge Dredd" figure responsible as jury and executioner
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#47
I JEST? It is literally legally not our place to play "Judge Dredd" no matter how sexy the costume.
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#97
Take it to mean what it means - rule of law applies to all, EVEN US as well as him.
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#139
Do you find it easier to ask question like this than actually make a statement?
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#137
No one is defending the use of WMD without repercussions. Some disagree on
rhett o rick
Sep 2013
#149
The lust to kill outweighs the desire to save lives? Where one puts one's money
indepat
Sep 2013
#43
At the very least, can we as a group stop taking about reducing the military budget?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2013
#45
I agree, we must avoid more of these "punitive strikes" they feel they need to use
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#49
Oh I like Terrance, I've just begun rereading "True Hallucinations" as I found my original copy
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#166
You have shared Dedroidify with me in the past and it has since displaced most of the
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#168
But to feed all those starving children for a year would cost almost a billion dollars!
tclambert
Sep 2013
#161