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TheKentuckian

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134. What do you think has been learned and why?

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:04 AM

Sep 2013

Americans have too much belief in the reset button and a magic one at that, chock full of leaps of faith and reading of souls.
Well...not so much too much because we are brutal with other "small people", brown folks, and anyone we can label "other" but the rich and powerful get that reset, all they have to do is swap spokespeople every now and again or flip parties and they can sell the "peaceful revolution every two years" bull-fucking-shit as the the revolving door commences to spinning.

They've learned to try and keep the body count on our side down, to keep a lid on the casualty rate of the innocent folks we zilch out, and to control the message in the media which means to make sure as possible the people don't run afoul of the devastation and suffering we bring along with "Freedom" (aka some criminal ass authoritarian regime and resource pillaging).

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John Kerry is a Good Man [View all] alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 OP

Last refuge of corporate neocon/neolib talking points: woo me with science Sep 2013 #1

+1000 forestpath Sep 2013 #2

And the attacks lobbed against Kerry weren't personal Skidmore Sep 2013 #3

Preach brutha! Adrahil Sep 2013 #143

You noticed that, huh? RC Sep 2013 #155

LOL, like you never "make it personal"... SPARE US phleshdef Sep 2013 #13

+1,000 nt MADem Sep 2013 #46

"Thread to mourn the passing of the soul of John Kerry" isn't personal? Isn't hate? pnwmom Sep 2013 #36

+1 Marr Sep 2013 #42

Wrong - the op differentiated between policy and individual karynnj Sep 2013 #56

+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #66

Ok, how about he's a kinder, nicer, more loving, War-mongering Devil. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #83

I preferred his testimony before Congress in 1971 ripcord Sep 2013 #106

Nailed It. bvar22 Sep 2013 #111

+10,000 (NT) Zavulon Sep 2013 #150

I have nno problem with disagreeing. tazkcmo Sep 2013 #4

So he's a good man, who keeps voting for PNAC wars time and time again? Sorry, not buying it. reformist2 Sep 2013 #5

He's a fucking sell-out... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #6

Why is it an outrage that Teresa Heinz Kerry was there? karynnj Sep 2013 #58

Because, it had nothing to do with justice and everything to do with... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #85

I seriously do not understand your logic karynnj Sep 2013 #88

Think about it... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #93

The real outrage was that Flag pin he was wearing... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #62

Any of them wearing it at this point is an embarrassment... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #86

I judge a man by his actions. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #7

I think you are NOT - you completely ignore his 8years of engaging blm Sep 2013 #21

John Kerry could have been working on this for 100 years. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #24

You claim he is deliberately lying. You refuse context. blm Sep 2013 #34

Fuck, blm, give it up. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #47

And, armed with words referencing other conflicts, wisteria Sep 2013 #72

Your glowing, emotional, non-rational response notwithstanding, OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #90

Horsepoo - yours is the under-informed, irrational response. blm Sep 2013 #97

You ignored the white phosphorus used in Fallujah. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #107

Take it up with TeamClinton - they were the ones protecting Bush blm Sep 2013 #108

Give up to the LIES being spread about Kerry? No. Lazyminded people blm Sep 2013 #94

YOU keep throwing your little tantrum. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #98

Baloney - Because I see a BIGGER picture on Snowden's role, and don't accept blm Sep 2013 #100

I guess it was Kerry's little secret then. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #82

The press DIDN'T CARE. The RW media, however, targeted him blm Sep 2013 #96

Do you get that his work has been resolving conflict... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #65

Which conflicts has he resolved? nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #74

You'd have been happy if we had a full on war in Syria in 2005? blm Sep 2013 #101

Bullshit, we were already spread to the breaking point. No way a front was going TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #132

Then you don't know how close we were. blm Sep 2013 #137

Fingers in their ears, blm. David Zephyr Sep 2013 #130

Exactly. Truth matters. blm Sep 2013 #138

Other than your "gut" what backs up your feeling that he's lying? Adrahil Sep 2013 #144

Thank you mcar Sep 2013 #8

+1 Hekate Sep 2013 #12

You ain't kidding. jessie04 Sep 2013 #30

Exactly. He is a good man. Conflict resolution has been his life's work. And... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #35

I don't hate John Kerry personally. But I do hate the policy that he is advocating totodeinhere Sep 2013 #128

FWIW, I haven't noticed hateful posts... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #131

Absolutely. Grateful for Hope Sep 2013 #38

I think he is a good man. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #9

"You're all better than that." Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #10

No forum does hair on fire hyperbole better sufrommich Sep 2013 #11

Truly lumpy Sep 2013 #41

Ya know, I've been here for ten liberalhistorian Sep 2013 #61

I'm only going to slightly disagree. No remotely credible forum does hair on fire hyperbole better.. stevenleser Sep 2013 #141

Thanks for that, alcibiades. Hekate Sep 2013 #14

I'm bordered by these Noble men allowing themselves Hutzpa Sep 2013 #15

I disagree, I thank they have something on Kerry and it must be a whopper. Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #16

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #25

Most people are good. Most politicians are people. bhikkhu Sep 2013 #49

Are you being serious? wisteria Sep 2013 #75

Yes Eddie Haskell Sep 2013 #120

I neither know or particularly care cali Sep 2013 #17

He is pushing for a humanitarian strike. wisteria Sep 2013 #73

"humanitarian strike" progressoid Sep 2013 #95

A 'humanitarian strike' based on 'military intelligence' :) - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #148

Anyone with the GALL to use the phrase "humanitarian bombing" woo me with science Sep 2013 #105

+10000 intersectionality Sep 2013 #121

We're going to liberate the fuck out of those Syrians - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #152

fresh frozen jumbo humanitarian strike frylock Sep 2013 #126

Thanks so much. I agree. babylonsister Sep 2013 #18

Kerry is proof that ProSense Sep 2013 #19

LOL, anyone who disagrees with ANYTHING Obama does will be venomously attacked by you! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #23

Reality lumpy Sep 2013 #43

Kerry is proof that anyone who voted for invading Iraq to find WMDs will have a hard time Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #104

+Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #153

The fact that he IS a good man makes me weep all the more. Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #20

He believes what the administration tells him to believe. n-t Logical Sep 2013 #22

How could a 'good man' be a politician? n/t leftstreet Sep 2013 #26

Puh-leese shenmue Sep 2013 #29

Politicians do not make up the 'government' leftstreet Sep 2013 #33

This is DU shenmue Sep 2013 #27

The ant-government people think we can exist with decisions I guess. lumpy Sep 2013 #44

who are the ant-government (sic) people here that are against the war? frylock Sep 2013 #127

Thank you. + 1,000,000 jessie04 Sep 2013 #28

Thank you. nt. MH1 Sep 2013 #31

He just had a Colin Powell moment Hydra Sep 2013 #32

This post makes a lot of sense. Maedhros Sep 2013 #123

"The evil that men do lives after them; The good HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #154

tyvm! Hydra Sep 2013 #157

why do you love Iran so much?! MisterP Sep 2013 #37

I disagree. QuestForSense Sep 2013 #39

Oye. The same Kerry who protested babylonsister Sep 2013 #53

The same Kerry who makes a lot of money off of defense contracts OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #68

Yeah - Heinz and Pepsi products on bases are HUGE warmongering blm Sep 2013 #109

Yes, he is. QuestForSense Sep 2013 #92

Exactly, alcibiades_mystery. All this "Kerry has no soul".. Cha Sep 2013 #40

And that is the truth. Wonder how some of these people would respond to Canada being lumpy Sep 2013 #45

I agree with this post. Let's dial it back a bit. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #48

+1000% marble falls Sep 2013 #50

He is an honourable man ! Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #51

The ones spouting the ugliest crap are the least well informed. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #52

But he ate dinner with Assad!!11! DINNER!!1!!1...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #54

It's character assisination, plain and simple. baldguy Sep 2013 #55

I grant you this...you are a thinking person who is trying to KoKo Sep 2013 #57

As a MA resident, I've had the opportunity to meet him many times graywarrior Sep 2013 #59

How DARE you post this crap graywarrior Sep 2013 #129

Kerry was an empty suit back in '04, fall guy for George W. Bush blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #60

Baloney. blm Sep 2013 #102

K&R. David Zephyr Sep 2013 #63

K&R. And it was nice to come home to your post as well, DZ. freshwest Sep 2013 #67

Huzzah! Thank you. cheapdate Sep 2013 #64

I do not share your opinion regarding stiking Syria, but wisteria Sep 2013 #69

"You're all better than that." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #70

if he truely believes the US should be involved syria then not only is he not a good man bowens43 Sep 2013 #71

Ok, so he's not an asshole LibAsHell Sep 2013 #76

K & R Iliyah Sep 2013 #77

Kick for civility politicasista Sep 2013 #78

The Kerry of today is consistent with the Kerry of the 60's. lexington filly Sep 2013 #79

Were you saying the same thing in the 60's? MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #87

I Doubt John Kerry Threw His Speech in the Air On the Road Sep 2013 #80

"John Kerry is a Good Man" ... Damn straight he is a good man Botany Sep 2013 #81

Kerry is a warmongering scoundrel. Old Union Guy Sep 2013 #84

Kerry would have to be an idiot to be sincere in the arguments he is making, and he isn't an idiot. yurbud Sep 2013 #89

Or maybe he knows what he's talking about, and you can't accept that. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #91

I am not going to treat a politician different because he has a "D" after his name. 1awake Sep 2013 #99

I reread the OP several times. It says nothing about doing that. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #142

Sincerely, coming from you this sentiment carries a great deal of of weight Turborama Sep 2013 #103

Thanks alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #115

A good man who voted for the Iraq War Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #110

Just curious, but... bvar22 Sep 2013 #112

Was a good man. morningfog Sep 2013 #113

It's the same thing they said about Colin Powell... Romulox Sep 2013 #114

I doubt either Kerry or Obama would have sinister motives IronLionZion Sep 2013 #116

"Democrats do it with far less civilian casualties." Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #117

And since then? IronLionZion Sep 2013 #118

What do you think has been learned and why? TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #134

The Powers That Be have also learned to control the media Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #135

LBJ made his mistakes in Vietnam but by 1968 he wanted out and tried to do so but .... Botany Sep 2013 #140

He's lost something. You can pick what. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #119

So by Kerry's rational Moses2SandyKoufax Sep 2013 #124

How dare you take a moderately measured stand! JohnnyRingo Sep 2013 #122

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2013 #125

I used to think so. I voted for him for President. Beausoir Sep 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #136

Facts my ASS! Kerry testified he has 100% certainty about future. That's witchcraft, not facts. Coyotl Sep 2013 #139

+1000 BklnDem75 Sep 2013 #145

John Kerry has the blood of 1,000,000 Iraqis on his hands. Once you get past that, yeah, HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #146

Bullshit. Kerry ProSense Sep 2013 #147

In 2004 on the campaign trail, Kerry said he would have voted to attack Iraq even if he HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #149

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #151

The November 2002 vote is defensible. Going to war after the March 2003 UN Weapons inspector reports stevenleser Sep 2013 #156