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In reply to the discussion: A Pastor Asks A Politician Why He Supports Gay Marriage. It Seems He Wasn't Prepared For His Reply [View all]Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)6. Part of the OP video reminded me of an old Obama speech he gave while still a senator
Excerpt below is from Page 5 of the transcript of the speech
Obamas 2006 Speech on Faith and Politics
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For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.
Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/us/politics/2006obamaspeech.html?pagewanted=5&_r=0
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For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.
Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.
-snip-
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/us/politics/2006obamaspeech.html?pagewanted=5&_r=0
2006 Senator Barack Obama: Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics Speech (full speech - five videos)
Video here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017777
Video here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017777
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A Pastor Asks A Politician Why He Supports Gay Marriage. It Seems He Wasn't Prepared For His Reply [View all]
HarveyDarkey
Sep 2013
OP
Wow! Why don't we have politicians who speak with such clarity? Even...
TreasonousBastard
Sep 2013
#2
Maybe you misheard him? He said he couldn't agree that homosexuality was unnatural.
cui bono
Sep 2013
#14
Part of the OP video reminded me of an old Obama speech he gave while still a senator
Tx4obama
Sep 2013
#6
Eventually, the Church will have to go back to selling love and not hate or nobody will buy it.
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2013
#11
Let's hope that happens here. Though atheism is growing in the country at a rapid pace.
JRLeft
Sep 2013
#25
A lot of people are questioning everything with the advent of the Web....
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2013
#32
We've all heard about the Anti-Christ, well I think it's safe to say Kevin Rudd is the Anti-Bagger
Snake Plissken
Sep 2013
#20