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Nuclear Unicorn

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39. You only know what you want to believe

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:52 AM

Sep 2013

And what you believe is defeating the Koch bros takes precedence over a woman's right to her own body. No person should be forced to retreat in a case of legitimate defense. That automatically gives the tactical and legal advantage to the criminal. If scoring cheap political points against the Koch bros is so important you demand a woman turn her back to a rapist already determined to attack her and you're willing to destroy her life if she doesn't then your demands are nothing short of monstrous.

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stand your ground. yes? no? [View all] seabeyond Sep 2013 OP

It is that simple BainsBane Sep 2013 #1

You did great, putting it in the most simple terms! TY! Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #2

You're welcome! BainsBane Sep 2013 #3

Here's a scenario to consider. ... spin Sep 2013 #4

One's ability to retreat is considered in self defense law BainsBane Sep 2013 #6

If a "stand your ground" law is properly written .... spin Sep 2013 #18

Your second paragraph has Jenoch Sep 2013 #51

I read that earlier today pintobean Sep 2013 #52

Oh, please, you draw a weapon, you are dead before you get it pointed Warpy Sep 2013 #53

I don't disagree ... spin Sep 2013 #56

Excellent and clear explanation etherealtruth Sep 2013 #7

It is. If you're an idiot. flvegan Sep 2013 #25

Florida is definitely one of the states to be BainsBane Sep 2013 #34

Thanks for that explanation. HappyMe Sep 2013 #43

So, reading through pipi_k Sep 2013 #44

My preference now is for the law to be silent on both stand-your-ground petronius Sep 2013 #5

based on the verdicts of some recent high-profile cases Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #8

I was surprised to see you supporting it at all BainsBane Sep 2013 #12

+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #38

No. dawg Sep 2013 #9

Ordinary self-defense laws, including excepting DirkGently Sep 2013 #10

No Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #11

Yes 1awake Sep 2013 #13

Duty to retreat creates an onerous burden at trial Taitertots Sep 2013 #14

Duty to retreat was a failed 60 year experiment. X_Digger Sep 2013 #15

maybe we should give this a little more time Supersedeas Sep 2013 #61

Guns? No. Politics? Yes. LWolf Sep 2013 #16

Unless you cannot turn and walk away safely rustydog Sep 2013 #17

When I was much younger and far more foolish I used to drive recklessly. ... spin Sep 2013 #19

And all those who faced those same scenarios and died can't talk about it joeglow3 Sep 2013 #47

SYG is a get out of jail free card... Iggo Sep 2013 #20

Home invaders have more of a right to a person's house than the family living there. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #26

no Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #21

Yes, absolutely. Scary so many would want to relinquish their right to Skip Intro Sep 2013 #22

So what happens if a armed stalking bigot screws with you -- say an unarmed teenager -- first? Hoyt Sep 2013 #54

Hoyt, you can be a helpless victim if you like, that is your decision. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #58

You need to understand most of us can defend ourselves without a gun in our pants. Hoyt Sep 2013 #59

Really? Tell me all about it. n/t Skip Intro Sep 2013 #62

It's a license for whites to murder blacks and other minorities. HolyMoley Sep 2013 #23

ack, missed the smiley Skip Intro Sep 2013 #28

Sadly though HolyMoley Sep 2013 #29

I believe it. SYG was pushed by the NRA, and backed by the bigoted Republicans in Florida. Hoyt Sep 2013 #55

How many steps in retreat is a woman legally obligated to make when confronted by a rapist? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #24

Some of us actually know the law BainsBane Sep 2013 #30

Yes, no duty to retreat. That's right. Skip Intro Sep 2013 #31

"Some of us actually know the law" rrneck Sep 2013 #33

You only know what you want to believe Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #39

I hear a lot about "rape culture" on this forum. rrneck Sep 2013 #45

We're supposed to wait for big, burly men to come rescue us fair damsels. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #46

I like SYG LittleBlue Sep 2013 #27

No. Juries should weigh each case individually Recursion Sep 2013 #32

Please add the "Fuck no!" option to your poll. Th1onein Sep 2013 #35

****STATISTICALLY A WHITES ONLY LAW***** I'd support it if the judges were held to a strick uponit7771 Sep 2013 #36

Blacks successfully use it too. It isn't a "Whites only" law. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #41

Blacks have a higher acquital rate in Florida in SYG cases than whites do. hack89 Sep 2013 #42

The statistics don't say what you think they do. Bazinga Sep 2013 #50

Support the concept but not always the implementation/application by DA's and such The Straight Story Sep 2013 #37

Virginias self defense laws aren't that bad IMHO. ileus Sep 2013 #40

I don't carry a gun, wild bird Sep 2013 #48

SYG isn't about guns whoiswithme Sep 2013 #49

I see no way in which SYG won't be abused horribly. LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #57

Without solid, concrete rules for what constitutes a genuine "threat" LadyHawkAZ Sep 2013 #60