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In reply to the discussion: Rand Paul and Ron Paul are idiots! Sarah Palin is an idiot. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)14. Idiots like Rand and Ron Paul
"God forbid that liberals like me unite with libertarians on dumb wars!"
...are hypocrites, and don't pretend that all "liberals" oppose intervention in critical times, which is part of the point with the Iran sanctions, also with Libya.
SENATE RESOLUTION 85--STRONGLY CONDEMNING THE GROSS AND SYSTEMATIC VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN LIBYA, INCLUDING VIOLENT ATTACKS ON PROTESTERS DEMANDING DEMOCRATIC REFORMS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES -- (Senate - March 01, 2011)(PDF)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-03-01/pdf/CREC-2011-03-01-pt1-PgS1068-4.pdf#page=1
Mr. MENENDEZ (for himself, Mr. KIRK, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. DURBIN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. CASEY, Mr. WYDEN, and Mr. CARDIN) submitted the following resolution; which was considered and agreed to:
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Resolved, That the Senate--
(1) applauds the courage of the Libyan people in standing up against the brutal dictatorship of Muammar Gadhafi and for demanding democratic reforms, transparent governance, and respect for basic human and civil rights;
(2) strongly condemns the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms;
(3) calls on Muammar Gadhafi to desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people's demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy governed by respect for human and civil rights and the right of the people to choose their government in free and fair elections;
(4) calls on the Gadhafi regime to immediately release persons that have been arbitrarily detained, to cease the intimidation, harassment and detention of peaceful protestors, human rights defenders and journalists, to ensure civilian safety, and to guarantee access to human rights and humanitarian organizations;
(5) welcomes the unanimous vote of the United Nations Security Council on resolution 1970 referring the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court, imposing an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, freezing the assets of Gadhafi and family members, and banning international travel by Gadhafi, members of his family, and senior advisors;
(6) urges the Gadhafi regime to abide by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 and ensure the safety of foreign nationals and their assets, and to facilitate the departure of those wishing to leave the country as well as the safe passage of humanitarian and medical supplies, humanitarian agencies and workers, into Libya in order to assist the Libyan people;
(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;
(8) welcomes the African Union's condemnation of the ``disproportionate use of force in Libya'' and urges the Union to take action to address the human rights crisis in Libya and to ensure that member states, particularly those bordering Libya, are in full compliance with the arms embargo imposed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 against the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including the ban on the provision of armed mercenary personnel;
(9) welcomes the decision of the United Nations Human Rights Council to recommend Libya's suspension from the Council and urges the United Nations General Assembly to vote to suspend Libya's rights of membership in the Council;
(10) welcomes the attendance of Secretary of State Clinton at the United Nations Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva and 1) urges the Council's assumption of a country mandate for Libya that employs a Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Libya and 2) urges the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations to advocate for improving United Nations Human Rights Council membership criteria at the next United Nations General Assembly in New York City to exclude gross and systematic violators of human rights; and
(11) welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States Government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.
<...>
Resolved, That the Senate--
(1) applauds the courage of the Libyan people in standing up against the brutal dictatorship of Muammar Gadhafi and for demanding democratic reforms, transparent governance, and respect for basic human and civil rights;
(2) strongly condemns the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms;
(3) calls on Muammar Gadhafi to desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people's demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy governed by respect for human and civil rights and the right of the people to choose their government in free and fair elections;
(4) calls on the Gadhafi regime to immediately release persons that have been arbitrarily detained, to cease the intimidation, harassment and detention of peaceful protestors, human rights defenders and journalists, to ensure civilian safety, and to guarantee access to human rights and humanitarian organizations;
(5) welcomes the unanimous vote of the United Nations Security Council on resolution 1970 referring the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court, imposing an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, freezing the assets of Gadhafi and family members, and banning international travel by Gadhafi, members of his family, and senior advisors;
(6) urges the Gadhafi regime to abide by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 and ensure the safety of foreign nationals and their assets, and to facilitate the departure of those wishing to leave the country as well as the safe passage of humanitarian and medical supplies, humanitarian agencies and workers, into Libya in order to assist the Libyan people;
(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;
(8) welcomes the African Union's condemnation of the ``disproportionate use of force in Libya'' and urges the Union to take action to address the human rights crisis in Libya and to ensure that member states, particularly those bordering Libya, are in full compliance with the arms embargo imposed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 against the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including the ban on the provision of armed mercenary personnel;
(9) welcomes the decision of the United Nations Human Rights Council to recommend Libya's suspension from the Council and urges the United Nations General Assembly to vote to suspend Libya's rights of membership in the Council;
(10) welcomes the attendance of Secretary of State Clinton at the United Nations Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva and 1) urges the Council's assumption of a country mandate for Libya that employs a Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Libya and 2) urges the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations to advocate for improving United Nations Human Rights Council membership criteria at the next United Nations General Assembly in New York City to exclude gross and systematic violators of human rights; and
(11) welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States Government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.
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I don't have to declare I agree with them, it's simply a fact that I do in this case.
NuclearDem
Sep 2013
#55
"I stated my opinion, if you disagree with it and want to discuss it, fine."
R. Daneel Olivaw
Sep 2013
#38
I've got nothing against Britney. She's just not all that politically astute. K?
delrem
Sep 2013
#107
You think supporting the President is the only reason to reject hypocrisy and idiocy?
ProSense
Sep 2013
#5
Again, does supporting the President mean one can't reject hypocrisy and idiocy? n/t
ProSense
Sep 2013
#11
Prosense, do you ever feel like some are riding on a merry-go-round and thenbwonder why they never
Thinkingabout
Sep 2013
#106
You've been asked several times now for your personal position on a potential attack on Syria.
Dreamer Tatum
Sep 2013
#40
As a progressive I have no problem with agreeing with the Pauls that a Syrian intervention is a bad
totodeinhere
Sep 2013
#37
What you're doing here is drawing a binary. I'm opposed to intervention in Syria and IDGAF about
Erose999
Sep 2013
#50
I was opposed to striking Libya too. And yeah, NeoLib Obama was all too happy to bomb Libya too.
Erose999
Sep 2013
#58
Also, Senators Boxer and Durbin voted against the IWR, but supported the Syria resolution:
ProSense
Sep 2013
#54
Ron Paul was right about Iraq, while Hillary and Kerry must live forever in shame with
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#60
Without getting all misty-eyed about the past, at the time of the Afghanistan vote,
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#70
Discredit WHAT? Your stance is vague at best, and curiously designed to move at will.
Dreamer Tatum
Sep 2013
#83
You asked: "So do you disagree with Ron Paul about the Iraq War?" I responded:
ProSense
Sep 2013
#110
So Obama is "scum" and "not even human DNA", and "evil", an "empty suit". Well. Aren't you
uppityperson
Sep 2013
#78
I "wish to conduct your life" by saying that Rand and Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are idiots. n/t
ProSense
Sep 2013
#69
Ron Paul was right on Iraq, and Hillary and Kerry were wrong. So your assertion rings false - nt
HardTimes99
Sep 2013
#72
Here is Obama waxing romantic about his agreement and friendship with Tom Coburn
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2013
#99