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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. Idiots like Rand and Ron Paul
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

"God forbid that liberals like me unite with libertarians on dumb wars!"

...are hypocrites, and don't pretend that all "liberals" oppose intervention in critical times, which is part of the point with the Iran sanctions, also with Libya.

SENATE RESOLUTION 85--STRONGLY CONDEMNING THE GROSS AND SYSTEMATIC VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN LIBYA, INCLUDING VIOLENT ATTACKS ON PROTESTERS DEMANDING DEMOCRATIC REFORMS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES -- (Senate - March 01, 2011)(PDF)
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-03-01/pdf/CREC-2011-03-01-pt1-PgS1068-4.pdf#page=1

Mr. MENENDEZ (for himself, Mr. KIRK, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. DURBIN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. CASEY, Mr. WYDEN, and Mr. CARDIN) submitted the following resolution; which was considered and agreed to:

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Resolved, That the Senate--

(1) applauds the courage of the Libyan people in standing up against the brutal dictatorship of Muammar Gadhafi and for demanding democratic reforms, transparent governance, and respect for basic human and civil rights;

(2) strongly condemns the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms;

(3) calls on Muammar Gadhafi to desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people's demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy governed by respect for human and civil rights and the right of the people to choose their government in free and fair elections;

(4) calls on the Gadhafi regime to immediately release persons that have been arbitrarily detained, to cease the intimidation, harassment and detention of peaceful protestors, human rights defenders and journalists, to ensure civilian safety, and to guarantee access to human rights and humanitarian organizations;

(5) welcomes the unanimous vote of the United Nations Security Council on resolution 1970 referring the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court, imposing an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, freezing the assets of Gadhafi and family members, and banning international travel by Gadhafi, members of his family, and senior advisors;

(6) urges the Gadhafi regime to abide by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 and ensure the safety of foreign nationals and their assets, and to facilitate the departure of those wishing to leave the country as well as the safe passage of humanitarian and medical supplies, humanitarian agencies and workers, into Libya in order to assist the Libyan people;

(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;

(8) welcomes the African Union's condemnation of the ``disproportionate use of force in Libya'' and urges the Union to take action to address the human rights crisis in Libya and to ensure that member states, particularly those bordering Libya, are in full compliance with the arms embargo imposed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 against the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including the ban on the provision of armed mercenary personnel;

(9) welcomes the decision of the United Nations Human Rights Council to recommend Libya's suspension from the Council and urges the United Nations General Assembly to vote to suspend Libya's rights of membership in the Council;

(10) welcomes the attendance of Secretary of State Clinton at the United Nations Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva and 1) urges the Council's assumption of a country mandate for Libya that employs a Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Libya and 2) urges the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations to advocate for improving United Nations Human Rights Council membership criteria at the next United Nations General Assembly in New York City to exclude gross and systematic violators of human rights; and

(11) welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States Government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.

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So what's your stance on intervention in Syria then? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #1
No, ProSense Sep 2013 #3
In this case, yes, I agree with Bolton's position. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #4
Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #9
Are you ever going to answer the question? NuclearDem Sep 2013 #13
Again, ProSense Sep 2013 #28
So, for now, in the yes column. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #35
Thread win. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #45
You misrepresent my point, but here is why ProSense Sep 2013 #49
I don't have to declare I agree with them, it's simply a fact that I do in this case. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #55
Again, it's ProSense Sep 2013 #75
I never said I wasn't. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #77
+100 nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #100
You have failed to answer a direct query twice. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #18
Nonsense, you don't like the answer you received. That's on you. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #22
You were asked a query, and you ignored it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #25
No, you really didn't answer the question Aerows Sep 2013 #26
Perhaps she feels that if she disagrees with the Presdent that R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #29
I guess Aerows Sep 2013 #33
Why do you think it's my responsibility to prove anything to you? ProSense Sep 2013 #36
"I stated my opinion, if you disagree with it and want to discuss it, fine." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #38
"You stated your opinion to a question not asked of you. " ProSense Sep 2013 #41
. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #44
It might be a violation of her NDA, or the Terms of Service Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #43
what exactly was the question? Whisp Sep 2013 #39
Read upthread. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #42
oh yeh, the Black vs. White arguement. Whisp Sep 2013 #47
"Doesn't work that way." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #51
there is nothing simple about that question. Whisp Sep 2013 #53
. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #56
Yes, it is simple. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #59
The reason I have supported the President all this time Whisp Sep 2013 #67
well that explains a lot. cali Sep 2013 #80
Unlike all you so called experts of warfare And All Else here on DU Whisp Sep 2013 #82
channeling Britney Spears. nt delrem Sep 2013 #93
like, Obama is like, just like Bush! yah baby. Whisp Sep 2013 #97
I've got nothing against Britney. She's just not all that politically astute. K? delrem Sep 2013 #107
nothing new about evasive non-answers from cali Sep 2013 #76
waahhh. opposition to the President? You can't bear that, can you? cali Sep 2013 #2
You think supporting the President is the only reason to reject hypocrisy and idiocy? ProSense Sep 2013 #5
I think that's YOUR motivation for virtually everything you post here cali Sep 2013 #8
Again, does supporting the President mean one can't reject hypocrisy and idiocy? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #11
Do you support the President implicitly? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #20
Prosense lives to push the president's agenda. polichick Sep 2013 #32
It means that Aerows Sep 2013 #30
"I don't agree with them on anything." NCTraveler Sep 2013 #6
So many problems in America needs addressing and Obama is off to war blazeKing Sep 2013 #7
+1000 forestpath Sep 2013 #115
God forbid that liberals like me unite with libertarians on dumb wars! polichick Sep 2013 #10
Idiots like Rand and Ron Paul ProSense Sep 2013 #14
Divide and conquer, right? If the people say fuck no to dumb wars... polichick Sep 2013 #15
What? ProSense Sep 2013 #21
The goal of both corporate parties is to divide and conquer... polichick Sep 2013 #23
Oh please, Ron and Rand Paul and Sarah Palin are the Republican Party. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #84
Yep - they're part of that corporate party and you push the agenda of... polichick Sep 2013 #85
Again, ProSense Sep 2013 #87
Have you ever disagreed with the administration here on DU? polichick Sep 2013 #89
Yes, but ProSense Sep 2013 #94
Problem is, you don't "make your case" - you just post a bunch of... polichick Sep 2013 #96
See, that ProSense Sep 2013 #101
Guess I should have italicized the word "your." No worries. polichick Sep 2013 #105
Prosense, do you ever feel like some are riding on a merry-go-round and thenbwonder why they never Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #106
Please grant others the humanity you claim for yourself cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #12
Really? ProSense Sep 2013 #16
and we should care what they think and say G_j Sep 2013 #17
Just for a change of pace Union Scribe Sep 2013 #19
See upstream. That's never going to happen. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #24
This whole OP and its defense it fekking weak. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #27
It really is weird Union Scribe Sep 2013 #34
You know what would ProSense Sep 2013 #31
You've been asked several times now for your personal position on a potential attack on Syria. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #40
Wait ProSense Sep 2013 #46
You can redirect all you like, ProSense. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #48
To be fair, she did answer. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #62
We all know her position quite well. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #64
As a progressive I have no problem with agreeing with the Pauls that a Syrian intervention is a bad totodeinhere Sep 2013 #37
What you're doing here is drawing a binary. I'm opposed to intervention in Syria and IDGAF about Erose999 Sep 2013 #50
And what you're doing is ProSense Sep 2013 #52
I was opposed to striking Libya too. And yeah, NeoLib Obama was all too happy to bomb Libya too. Erose999 Sep 2013 #58
Also, Senators Boxer and Durbin voted against the IWR, but supported the Syria resolution: ProSense Sep 2013 #54
Yes, loudmouth idiots everywhere you turn whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #57
Ron Paul was right about Iraq, while Hillary and Kerry must live forever in shame with HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #60
You can make that claim, but ProSense Sep 2013 #66
Without getting all misty-eyed about the past, at the time of the Afghanistan vote, HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #70
I see the real issue here. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #71
No ProSense Sep 2013 #81
Discredit WHAT? Your stance is vague at best, and curiously designed to move at will. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #83
No, ProSense Sep 2013 #86
Your "group" alignment is crystal clear. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #88
So do you disagree with Ron Paul about the Iraq War? Union Scribe Sep 2013 #90
Yes, ProSense Sep 2013 #92
You're bordering on spam now Union Scribe Sep 2013 #104
You asked: "So do you disagree with Ron Paul about the Iraq War?" I responded: ProSense Sep 2013 #110
Can't do it, can you? Union Scribe Sep 2013 #111
Rand Paul and Ron Paul are idiots! Sarah Palin is an idiot. ProSense Sep 2013 #112
I knew you couldn't. Or wouldn't. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #114
"Wrong"? The Pauls are idiots, and so is Palin. I'm not wrong. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #116
Just impossible for her LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #119
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #61
Are you saying President Obama is "scum"? uppityperson Sep 2013 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #74
So Obama is "scum" and "not even human DNA", and "evil", an "empty suit". Well. Aren't you uppityperson Sep 2013 #78
I "wish to conduct your life" by saying that Rand and Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are idiots. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #69
Ron Paul was right on Iraq, and Hillary and Kerry were wrong. So your assertion rings false - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #72
So because you say Ron Paul was "right on Iraq" means he's not an idiot? ProSense Sep 2013 #79
See post #71 above - of course you say that. It's easy. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2013 #73
Super duper honestly? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #65
Yes, that's my opinion. ProSense Sep 2013 #68
Oh, not the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran song again! freshwest Sep 2013 #91
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #95
I agree that Pro is an expert on idiots. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #98
It's not hard to identify an idiot. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #102
I agree that Katashi_itto is sneaky with his insults. Cha Sep 2013 #108
Moi? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #117
Here is Obama waxing romantic about his agreement and friendship with Tom Coburn Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #99
I'm not Obama, and I detest Coburn. ProSense Sep 2013 #103
I always thought you were Robert Gibbs. madinmaryland Sep 2013 #113
Hypocrites? that crowd? lol.. add Hyperbolic bullshit and Cha Sep 2013 #109
I fully agree with your assessments of these clowns gopiscrap Sep 2013 #118
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