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ProSense

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25. Is it "sound logic" to be opposed to anything Heritage is for?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
Sep 2013

This is the simplistic nonsense that continues to drive the discussion.

Heritage Action Opposes Military Strike On Syria
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/heritage-action-opposes-military-strike-on-syria

I don't agree with RW idiotic tools because they are RW idiotic tools. Claiming that anyone who opposes or supports this action is aligning themselves with a certain group is silliness.

When I point out that I disagree with Rand Paul and Ron Paul, it's not to claim anyone else agrees with them. It's to express my opposition to their idiocy.

If you want to declare that you agree with them, that's on you.

I think they're liars. I don't agree with idiots because they say something. I didn't agree with Rand Paul on drones. I thought "Stand With Paul" was pathetic.

Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'

By Steve Benen



In March, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) launched a high-profile filibuster on the Senate floor, bringing attention to drone strikes and civil liberties questions that too often go ignored. But as the spectacle faded, a problem emerged -- Paul didn't seem to fully understand the issue he ostensibly cares so much about.

The Kentucky Republican wanted to know if the Obama administration feels it has the authority to "use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil." Attorney General Eric Holders said the "answer to that question is no." For many involved in the debate, the answer was superficial and incomplete -- who gets to define what constitutes "combat"? what about non-weaponized drones? -- but Paul declared victory and walked away satisfied.

Today, the senator went further, saying he's comfortable with drones being used over U.S. soil if the executive branch decides -- without a warrant or oversight -- there's an "imminent threat." Paul told Fox News:

"...I've never argued against any technology being used when you an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him. But it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities."

I realize it's difficult to explore complex policy questions in detail during a brief television interview, and perhaps if the Republican senator had more time to think about it, he might explain his position differently. But as of this afternoon, it sounds like Rand Paul is comfortable with the executive branch having the warrantless authority to use weaponized drones to kill people on American soil suspected of robbing a liquor store.

But flying over a hot tub is where he draws the line.

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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/04/23/17881782-disappointing-those-who-stand-with-rand


Rand Paul and Ron Paul are idiots! Sarah Palin is an idiot.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023603275

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nah, it's not logic at all, just moronic as hell. cali Sep 2013 #1
I saw him wearing clothes, so now I always go naked. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #2
PICS! Or this post is worthless! Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #6
I've been refusing to breathe ever since I heard he does. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #12
It's what assholes do when they run out of arguments. n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #3
And yet those same voices find themselves aligned with Rove, Cheney and Rummy. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #4
Thanks for making my point BEFORE I made it. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #7
No ... now let's hear what Dick Cheney thinks ... and McCain, and Graham too ... JoePhilly Sep 2013 #5
It's an idiotic approach to take n/t Lurks Often Sep 2013 #8
Your argument is facile, because you conflate things that have relevance to the political sphere msanthrope Sep 2013 #9
So what you are suggesting . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #24
No--what I'm suggesting is that to put Rand Paul in the same league as John Kerry or President Obama msanthrope Sep 2013 #28
I haven't seen anyone put Rand Paul "in the same league" as the others you mention markpkessinger Sep 2013 #31
Thank you. Skidmore Sep 2013 #32
Well, it should make you think twice, at least. The Pauls are self-important scumbags. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #10
I'd say both sides are equally guilty... brooklynite Sep 2013 #11
I agree. ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #17
Absolutely not. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #13
Follow no man. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #14
The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. Rand Paul is an idiot, but he's a useful one sometimes. Erose999 Sep 2013 #15
Rand Paul is definitely a batshit crazy extremist. Initech Sep 2013 #16
Not sure whether he genuinely believes that shit, or is merely an unprincipled opportunist. n/t winter is coming Sep 2013 #19
No, but it's definitely amusing to see "Rand Paul" and "sound logic" appear in the same sentence. winter is coming Sep 2013 #18
Not necessarily. Now if Sanders and Warren turn out to be for something that Paul is against, pampango Sep 2013 #20
No tkmorris Sep 2013 #21
It's called PDS . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #22
It's ABSURD. It's second grade logic. woo me with science Sep 2013 #23
Is it "sound logic" to be opposed to anything Heritage is for? ProSense Sep 2013 #25
no it is not sound logic. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #26
ABSOLUTELY YES if you're feeble-minded Blue Owl Sep 2013 #27
well they can't say they are always for whatever Obama is for Skittles Sep 2013 #29
He's for toupees. I'm totally against it. SummerSnow Sep 2013 #30
Same goes for McSame, Boner,Graham, and the other Chickenhawks whom Obama has gone to NightWatcher Sep 2013 #33
D=good, R=bad alc Sep 2013 #34
Of course it isn't, in the real world MNBrewer Sep 2013 #35
No. But neither should "progressives" be promoting him... SidDithers Sep 2013 #36
Here is Obama in Time Magazine waxing promotional of Tom Coburn. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #42
So, I'll put you down as "OK to promote Rand Paul"... SidDithers Sep 2013 #45
If the Pauls come out in favor of dental hygiene... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #37
No JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #38
It is an abstract as hominem. It assumes Paul is always wrong. bemildred Sep 2013 #39
If Rand Paul and Ron Paul disagree on something, does that mean that there is no correct take on it? JVS Sep 2013 #40
Does Rand hate pizza? LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #41
Only if you're a Marxist deutsey Sep 2013 #43
No, it is just plain stupid to put it mildly and I don't know why it hasn't occurred to them so far sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #44
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