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beerandjesus

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118. First of all, you make my central point for me.

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:52 PM

Sep 2013

"This is about the credibility of the United States."

So the people whose families are killed by missiles are gonna go, "Well, I would be really upset about this, but the US has so much CREDIBILITY...!"

It's an abstract principle. It has nothing to do with actually improving the situation in Syria.

As far as your emotional appeal about "how do the parents of little children.... etc.", I'm sure they will feel terrible, but they won't be inspired to become jihadis and commit terrorist acts on US soil.

Do you really not see the difference, in terms of US policy, between Assad killing people and the United States killing people?

If someone in your neighborhood killed a member of your family, would you kill your state attorney general, because they didn't prevent it? That seems to be position you're advocating--to the degree that it's based in reality at all.

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That is what Republicans and Conservatives do. RC Sep 2013 #76

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k&r. Thanks, William. nt antigop Sep 2013 #26

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THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2013 #33

the "strange bedfellows" thing is the least surprising stupidicus Sep 2013 #35

Your middle sentence captures the reality most in this thread seem to miss. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #42

wow, you mean those falsely charged with BS stupidicus Sep 2013 #46

it's gone past annoying and is now just plain sad Skittles Sep 2013 #78

It is simply the wrong thing to do to murder more people. We have no cause to be part of it. Ford_Prefect Sep 2013 #39

Obama Foolish? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #172

There's always more (borrowed) money for war FlyByNight Sep 2013 #40

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This shouldn't bother anyone. ocpagu Sep 2013 #41

Amen, brother Will.... WCGreen Sep 2013 #43

K&R with a bit of sadness...... marmar Sep 2013 #44

The Cult of Personality ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #47

Most people don't have the ability/knowledge OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #53

Very well expressed. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #98

Hey! This isn't Libertarian Leftist Underground! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #79

I see what you did there! Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #99

I was just informed by that special someone that it's gunning for you and all Anarchists Dragonfli Sep 2013 #151

LMAO ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #155

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I saw that. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #163

I had no trouble following any of your posts or arguments... well.. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #164

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I agree, but it was not hard to understand, it just seems easily thrown Dragonfli Sep 2013 #169

Bob Altemeyer talks a bit about that his book in The Authoritarians. Marr Sep 2013 #214

Correct. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #215

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Hey, I'm glad.... frog64 Sep 2013 #204

"World Corut"? Ocelot Sep 2013 #205

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Thank you, Will! City Lights Sep 2013 #51

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #54

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K&R. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #63

I've been involved in some of the stupidest conversations of my life... RevStPatrick Sep 2013 #64

what's hilarious is they will speak of "Obama Derangement Syndrome" Skittles Sep 2013 #83

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Clearly stated. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #66

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"I was not born with that particular gene" Union Scribe Sep 2013 #68

Genetic for some, woo me with science Sep 2013 #146

. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #179

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K&R for critical thinking Blue Owl Sep 2013 #72

Part of the descent of civilization into madness. malthaussen Sep 2013 #75

Well said and thank you! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #77

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there is no right or wrong answer think_critically Sep 2013 #81

Wow. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #85

a couple of cruise missiles will cause all of this? think_critically Sep 2013 #97

The anti-war crowd is "fear mongering plain and simple"? beerandjesus Sep 2013 #101

absolutely think_critically Sep 2013 #105

Funny, I thought it was the pro-war guys who kept calling Assad "Hitler". beerandjesus Sep 2013 #107

not true think_critically Sep 2013 #109

The same way -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #113

First of all, you make my central point for me. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #118

big difference think_critically Sep 2013 #130

this is silly: innocents will die for the US's so-called "credibility" noiretextatique Sep 2013 #134

Indeed, there is a big difference beerandjesus Sep 2013 #148

Credibility, really? Blanks Sep 2013 #147

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a couple of cruise missiles? frylock Sep 2013 #120

thank you! noiretextatique Sep 2013 #135

And you think a couple pecwae Sep 2013 #138

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Iran won't risk their country? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2013 #212

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"If you let a dictator use chemical weapons nearly a dozen times" kath Sep 2013 #157

and i bet you all support this guy and his wife think_critically Sep 2013 #216

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I have to agree this is what the president decided to spend his political capital on Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #84

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Damn Good Post n/t fredamae Sep 2013 #91

k/r - shout it loud. 840high Sep 2013 #92

So sick of these lame attempts attempts to manipulate people. We need everyone we can get on sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #94

Convinced anyone with an opposing view to change their minds lately? pkdu Sep 2013 #187

Yes, I have actually. How about you? And I didn't have to attack them, all I had to do was to sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #190

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France Supports Re-Colonization By the "rebel" Terrorist-Proxy-Army, England's Paliament Voted 'No' HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #188

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When someone actually uses one of those lines of reasoning. sendero Sep 2013 #106

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+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #112

My first thread of the day... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #114

omg your rant sounds just like Hunter B.S. Thompson! Whisp Sep 2013 #115

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Where do you stand on this? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #117

I initially stated ProSense Sep 2013 #124

Thanks for answering. n/t WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #125

It was a careful non-answer. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #166

Pro-Sense has likely not yet made up her mind ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #182

You forgot the sarcasm smiley. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #199

Pointing out facts that contradict a partisan loon's slanted mindset isn't an insult ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #211

You tell it like it is!! K&R n/t Duval Sep 2013 #119

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Recommended. There are times you are at your best. That time is now. Autumn Sep 2013 #122

Best. Post. Ever. Ishoutandscream2 Sep 2013 #123

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Many of us were not born with that particular gene. k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #128

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Bravo!! Liberal_Dog Sep 2013 #132

K&R idwiyo Sep 2013 #133

You really want to destroy the president's credibility? golfguru Sep 2013 #137

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*wipes off keyboard and screen* WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #141

You want to watch us christx30 Sep 2013 #184

K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #140

K and freaking R!!!! Well said. ~eom 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #142

god, no lockstep with you heaven05 Sep 2013 #143

1913. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #144

I shall, thanks heaven05 Sep 2013 #145

Mosaddegh and Boehner must be related golfguru Sep 2013 #153

While I won't make any such accusations... Adrahil Sep 2013 #149

Who is telling you you're with Rand Paul? creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #150

You apparently missed this gem from yesterday: scarletwoman Sep 2013 #176

Yes, I didn't see that one creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #221

+1000% - My sentiment exactly! -- n/t mazzarro Sep 2013 #154

I bet at the end of the day LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #158

Preach It! paulbibeau Sep 2013 #161

"You're wrong, we're right. Period, end of file" YES Agony Sep 2013 #168

Will, you just accused us of the same thing you asked us jazzimov Sep 2013 #170

Which Targets? Assad's or Al Qaeda's ?? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #180

Thank you. n/t Triana Sep 2013 #173

Like a broken clock The Wizard Sep 2013 #174

K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #177

I harbor the same thoughts gopiscrap Sep 2013 #178

I, generally, respect ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #181

Your respectful reply is unwarranted. great white snark Sep 2013 #201

Talk about strange bedfellows ... today I found myself BlueMTexpat Sep 2013 #185

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But the president asking for congress' approval was a brilliant move! cui bono Sep 2013 #194

It's just getting started WP florida08 Sep 2013 #197

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+1000. K&R. Agreed. Pathetic and desperate arguments. GoneFishin Sep 2013 #200

K&R Zavulon Sep 2013 #202

Huge K&R NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #203

If only this flash of common sense could be applied to other topics. krispos42 Sep 2013 #206

But how are we going to fight a war on terror if we don't create more terrorists? av8rdave Sep 2013 #207

Balls in vise? nolabels Sep 2013 #208

Great post Oilwellian Sep 2013 #209

Someone needs to write a satire: The Democatic Guide to being a Good German Coyotl Sep 2013 #210

Thankfully Will it is a small group of Left haters. Rex Sep 2013 #218

Kick. I want this to stay on top. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #223

Keep in mind, George Bush set this all up, so it's a no-win situation for any president Mellow Drama Sep 2013 #224

''You're wrong, and you're boring.'' Whisp Sep 2013 #225

How can you not support the President? SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #226

Yup. It's the Call to Stupid. woo me with science Sep 2013 #227

Logical fallacy that fuels propaganda or a straw man. Cleita Sep 2013 #229

But thinking is sooooo hard. "We're good, they're evil" is so much easier. Scuba Sep 2013 #230

You are so right on the money. I wish I could avebury Sep 2013 #231

You nailed it. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #233

+1 OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #234

k&r Electric Monk Sep 2013 #237

Boring and bored. gordianot Sep 2013 #228

K&R! nt Poll_Blind Sep 2013 #232

kick for the 'wrong and boring' OP. Whisp Sep 2013 #238

HEY! Thanks for saying what needs to be said! Agony Sep 2013 #239

Your derision of Obama and how he manages foreign policy is duly noted Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #240

Recommend! After some ugly stuff today...Think this needs a Re-Visit! KoKo Sep 2013 #241