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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
9. Good question--but sometimes subjects move away or drop out. It is voluntary, after all....
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:27 PM
Sep 2013

However, they framed their study appropriately, used a control group, and afaict did their best to use research tools honestly. Other studies have backed them up. Drugs/alcohol/tobacco are not good for babies --that we can all agree on. But "the "crack baby" label led to erroneous stereotyping. "You can't walk into a classroom and tell this kid was exposed and this kid was not."
http://articles.philly.com/2013-07-22/news/40709969_1_hallam-hurt-so-called-crack-babies-funded-study

Hurt's study enrolled only full-term babies so the possible effects of prematurity did not skew the results. The babies were then evaluated periodically, beginning at six months and then every six or 12 months on through young adulthood. Their mothers agreed to be tested for drug use throughout the study.

The researchers consistently found no significant differences between the cocaine-exposed children and the controls. ... When it came to school readiness at age 6, about 25 percent of children in each group scored in the abnormal range on tests for math and letter and word recognition.

"We went looking for the effects of cocaine," Hurt said. But after a time "we began to ask, 'Was there something else going on?' "
While the cocaine-exposed children and a group of nonexposed controls performed about the same on tests, both groups lagged on developmental and intellectual measures compared to the norm. Hurt and her team began to think the "something else" was poverty.

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Other researchers also couldn't find any devastating effects from cocaine exposure in the womb. Claire Coles, a psychiatry professor at Emory University, has been tracking a group of low-income Atlanta children. Her work has found that cocaine exposure does not seem to affect children's overall cognition and school performance, but some evidence suggests that these children are less able to regulate their reactions to stressful stimuli, which could affect learning and emotional health.

Coles said her research had found nothing to back up predictions that cocaine-exposed babies were doomed for life. "As a society we say, 'Cocaine is bad and therefore it must cause damage to babies,' " Coles said. "When you have a myth, it tends to linger for a long time."
Deborah A. Frank, a pediatrics professor at Boston University who has tracked a similar group of children, said the "crack baby" label led to erroneous stereotyping. "You can't walk into a classroom and tell this kid was exposed and this kid was not," Frank said. "Unfortunately, there are so many factors that affect poor kids. They have to deal with so much stress and deprivation. We have also found that exposure to violence is a huge factor."

Frank said that cocaine - along with other illicit drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes - "isn't good for babies," but the belief that they would "grow up to be addicts and criminals is not true. Some kids have stunned us with how well they've done."

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This is an honest researcher, to go where the data leads. "Poverty is a more powerful influence... Hekate Sep 2013 #1
Not really--over half the participants aren't accounted for, and when you eliminate preemies from msanthrope Sep 2013 #6
I agree. Crack babies are more likely to be born prematurely so it skews the data pnwmom Sep 2013 #26
They should have a different study to test crack bettyellen Sep 2013 #28
Illicit drug use, alcohol & tobacco, are significant risk factors for pre-term delivery and msanthrope Sep 2013 #29
I don't know why the outcome was unexpected Warpy Sep 2013 #2
It was a way to criminalize poverty and Cerridwen Sep 2013 #3
my first thought mercuryblues Sep 2013 #48
Sad but interesting data. Butterbean Sep 2013 #4
Had she compared them to other low birth weight, barely viable Warpy Sep 2013 #30
The kids I see withdrawing now take a lot longer than 48 hours. Butterbean Sep 2013 #40
So do heroin babies. 72 hour detox for them. Warpy Sep 2013 #43
I know, I can't believe meth babies survive, either. n/t Butterbean Sep 2013 #44
What happened to the other half of the kids in the original study? If you started with 224, but msanthrope Sep 2013 #5
Good question. Why don't you find an answer for the rest of us. Cerridwen Sep 2013 #8
Well, one expects answers to easy questions in the study itself. I find the whole "crack baby" msanthrope Sep 2013 #12
"One" also expects "one" to provide proof of "ones" Cerridwen Sep 2013 #13
One is expected to provide proof of one's questions? That's an awfully authoritarian msanthrope Sep 2013 #14
Authoritanism is embraced by DU. Cerridwen Sep 2013 #15
Wait, what? I am a bully now? For asking questions? Somebody better tell Hekate below that she is msanthrope Sep 2013 #17
Holy shit, you just can't win, can you? 7962 Sep 2013 #22
It's possible some would question my motivations for asking said questions. Fair enough, but msanthrope Sep 2013 #25
Why only study full term and near to term babies? Chellee Sep 2013 #23
Skew or disprove? See the problem? nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #24
So your suspicion Chellee Sep 2013 #34
Well--that's the problem right there. Scientific studies can't prove that msanthrope Sep 2013 #36
"preemies...got lopped off" Chellee Sep 2013 #39
Because premies have a plethora of problems. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #33
I know. I agree with you. Chellee Sep 2013 #35
The answer was in the artlcle. Mariana Sep 2013 #41
Good question--but sometimes subjects move away or drop out. It is voluntary, after all.... Hekate Sep 2013 #9
Oh--I agree that "crack baby" was as valid as "welfare queen" but what I am wondering about msanthrope Sep 2013 #11
Don't know. There are so many preemies these days, and for so many reasons. Hekate Sep 2013 #16
Yeah--but the kids we are discussing are 25 plus years old, not part of the current msanthrope Sep 2013 #18
You can probably track down other studies that specifically target them. Researchers really do want Hekate Sep 2013 #19
You bring up a good point about "level of exposure." Other than a blood test msanthrope Sep 2013 #21
They very likely moved out of the area Warpy Sep 2013 #31
do you really want to know Supersedeas Sep 2013 #42
Not surprising at all. One of the constants we see with the rapid advancement of scientific Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #7
That sentence in bold says it all: surrealAmerican Sep 2013 #10
that says it all heaven05 Sep 2013 #20
kick Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #27
Interesting. blackspade Sep 2013 #32
BUT----The Big American Question about this is... nikto Sep 2013 #37
The quote... nikto Sep 2013 #38
And we've known this for a long time. LWolf Sep 2013 #45
Duh? Yah think? nt bemildred Sep 2013 #46
Poverty and unemployment are the worst drugs of all, drugs forced onto the poor. ck4829 Sep 2013 #47
Despite the hysteria of the 90s, Crack Babies have proved... bvar22 Sep 2013 #49
Only 12 to college. What a tragedy. Barack_America Sep 2013 #50
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