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Whiskeytide

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32. I have to weigh in on this...
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:02 PM
Feb 2012

... I live in Alabama - Conservative central - and many of my closest friends and business associates are pretty hard core conservatives. But most all of them are decent people. They love their country, and they love their families and communities. The problem is that a pretty good debate can be had on some aspects of the questions you raise:

They would not support torture, but they might draw the line in a different place than you would.

They might believe preventing crime justifies some intrusion into our privacy - again, its a matter of where you draw the line.

None of them want atheists to not be citizens, but they frame the issue as whether or not atheists are preventing them from worshiping as they choose. That may be an incorrect analysis, but its how they see it.

They don't turn their backs on the needy. Some of them are the most generous people I know, and not necessarily because they can afford to be. They just don't believe the government can efficiently help the poor - and you can legitimately debate whether our welfare system is efficient.

They are not singling out teachers and fireman. They support limiting government across the board. It may be short sighted, but its not immoral or indecent. As for tax breaks for the wealthy, I don't know a single one who supports that concept beyond the general belief that we should not "over tax" the business community to the point of stagnating growth and success. They believe in a balance, but again they draw the line in a different place.

And the unemployed? This is the best point you make. Most of them do believe that the system coddles people who are lazy if it goes too far. I agree that it is a wrongheaded approach, but they are invested in this one. These are southern conservatives - and they have been raised on the ideology of doing for yourself.

The mistake you are making is that you are associating ALL republicans with the political leaders of the party and the media personalities that serve them. Most of the conservatives I know think Limbaugh is a douche, Hannity is a Nazi, Beck is a loon, Santorum is a freak show and Palin is a circus clown. But they vote republican because they believe in most of the core principles of conservative thought. When I talk to them about it, it is readily apparent that they lean left on a lot of issues and sub-issues. Just my experience.






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Can a Republican be a .... [View all] surfdog Feb 2012 OP
is greed good? DrDan Feb 2012 #1
Yes Rittermeister Feb 2012 #2
Doesn't sound possible surfdog Feb 2012 #6
Sorry atreides1 Feb 2012 #12
It means Rittermeister Feb 2012 #22
The most heinous acts in history were committed by people who believed they were right. Sparkly Feb 2012 #33
Decent people put Sacco and Venzetti to death FogerRox Feb 2012 #36
Is Ahiatola Santorum descent? Vincardog Feb 2012 #3
People can vote Republican out of tradition, and still be decent (if perhaps somewhat politically LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #4
They don't think about it like that Rittermeister Feb 2012 #8
Fair enough; I've never lived anywhere like that so can't judge people in such a position LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #13
Doesn't mean they're decent atreides1 Feb 2012 #15
So you would say that Rittermeister Feb 2012 #18
Yes that's what I'm saying surfdog Feb 2012 #24
The idea that every Republican is a supporter of torture Rittermeister Feb 2012 #26
Okay try this simple exercise surfdog Feb 2012 #27
Anybody? surfdog Feb 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Hugabear Feb 2012 #40
Fucking stop already surfdog Feb 2012 #41
I wasn't saying that Hugabear Feb 2012 #45
No. Control-Z Feb 2012 #46
You can be stupid AND decent LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #21
Depends on how one defines "decent" kctim Feb 2012 #5
Yes. Wait Wut Feb 2012 #7
I don't believe it for one second surfdog Feb 2012 #10
Funny, I thought you were looking for a reasoned debate Rittermeister Feb 2012 #11
Oh please surfdog Feb 2012 #16
By that measure, many Democrats are not "decent people". Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2012 #19
Well ... surfdog Feb 2012 #29
Pssst... Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2012 #31
If you're going to over generalize to that degree Rittermeister Feb 2012 #20
That's a mighty broad brush you have there. Wait Wut Feb 2012 #28
I have to weigh in on this... Whiskeytide Feb 2012 #32
Your post is not accurate surfdog Feb 2012 #37
"HOW CAN YOU WORSHIP THE DEVIL!" ieoeja Feb 2012 #43
Please read my post again... Whiskeytide Feb 2012 #54
Really ? surfdog Feb 2012 #55
They would probably not say the same of you. Wait Wut Feb 2012 #23
Do your republican friends support ... surfdog Feb 2012 #52
You're spouting the same black-and-white demagoguery as what we expect from conservatives. MiddleFingerMom Feb 2012 #56
Absolutely. Most people vote Republican for the best of intentions. Bruce Wayne Feb 2012 #9
I married a conservative and I'm convinced he's a good and decent person. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #14
I know Republicans who are good people. democrat_patriot Feb 2012 #17
Absolutely. I know several generous, big-hearted Republicans. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #25
I imagine it depends on how dogmatic LanternWaste Feb 2012 #30
In my experience, the two don't have much to do with one another at all RZM Feb 2012 #34
Of course. I know several Republicans who are decent people. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #35
Depends. Do they wholly support the worst of Uncle Milton Friedmanomics? HughBeaumont Feb 2012 #38
Yep. Lots of people vote "R" because they totally buy the righteous BS LeftinOH Feb 2012 #39
Yep. Brickbat Feb 2012 #42
Yes. My parents are Republicans, and they are decent people. Throd Feb 2012 #47
Of course, many pubs are good decent people. denbot Feb 2012 #48
Yes... CJCRANE Feb 2012 #49
Why is it important for you to be validated in this opinion? SalviaBlue Feb 2012 #50
There Is NO Way zorahopkins Feb 2012 #51
yes and no. people are allowed to be politically naive while being a decent person La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #53
"Well-informed", "Decent", "Republican". Pick only two. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #57
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