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Gman

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6. It's more than WWII, Ken

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:49 PM

Sep 2013

It's the Cuban Missile crisis all over again under a whole new light. .

I studied force in international politics in the 70's. Concentrated in it with my Poly Sci degree. And this whole thing has all kinds of nuclear deterrence issues. It used to be that mutually assured destruction is what kept a "rational" world from self destruction. But has that so-called Balance of Terror changed with reductions in nuclear weapons? Can a country rationalize that they can 50 years later survive a nuclear war?

Lots of issues. Right now I'd be moving that Doomsday Clock up to about 11:59. The ghost of John Foster Dulles and his brinkmanship strategy is back.

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If Iran and Russia jumped in on Assad's side after the "limited strike"... [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2013 OP

I'm not exactly for it or against it now Gman Sep 2013 #1

Doubtful...Putin used part of Hitler's playbook(the "avenge the shame" meme) Ken Burch Sep 2013 #3

It's more than WWII, Ken Gman Sep 2013 #6

I don't think US or Russia would resort to nukes HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #7

Do we actually live in a post-nuclear deterrence world? Gman Sep 2013 #16

Russia has valid reasons to hold on to Syria... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #21

"Nukes are probably the best thing to happen to humanity since penicillin" joshcryer Sep 2013 #26

+Infinity! This is some seriously scary shit. Way scarier than Iraq and that was pretty bad. - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #17

Not by that much. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #29

There won't be WWIII over Syria without Jonesian conspiracies....or perhaps something truly bizarre. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #32

I think I know this song. Savannahmann Sep 2013 #4

"we better not back down from anyone" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #5

I think via the NSA and other ways we should have a pretty good idea Gman Sep 2013 #8

Who fuckn cares NoOneMan Sep 2013 #9

Or, as a sign I saw at a Los Angeles anti-war rally against the Iraq War simply said, HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #13

Please read some on the League of Nations .... Peace in our Time ... Neville Chamberlain MindMover Sep 2013 #30

Dude, there isn't gonna be a world war over Syria. It wouldn't be worth it for anybody. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #31

While I agree, Im just taking the scenario as it was presented NoOneMan Sep 2013 #33

Holy Shit. You do know, I hope, that Iran has 1 million soldiers in its Army. Are you prepared to HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #10

The decisions makers are very well aware of that Gman Sep 2013 #14

You really should read Barbara Tuchman's "The Guns of August" before you go HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #15

They only fought Saddam to a stalemate Gman Sep 2013 #18

That is one deadly 'They'. At first I thought you were referring to the U.S. military which HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #20

No, I was totally dissing the Iranian army Gman Sep 2013 #22

Someone with over 20K posts here I would suspect to have at least a passing HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #23

Yes, that's a very famous picture Gman Sep 2013 #24

This is another reason we shouldn't get involved. joshcryer Sep 2013 #27

Sure. Imagine the cool new round of action movies! NoOneMan Sep 2013 #2

Not sure why your post makes me feel so much despair. But I can't disagree HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #11

Not eligible to vote since I don't back the limited strike. But this is the scenario that HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #12

Exactly. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #19

In their own back yard, even. polly7 Sep 2013 #28

Nope. Iggo Sep 2013 #25

Russia's already supporting Assad - that's why we cannot get 'use of force' resolution from the U.N. Tx4obama Sep 2013 #34