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172. Obama Foolish?

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 08:44 PM

Sep 2013

No. He just works for "them." He is a smart guy who obeys his orders. Sorry to break the spell, but his economic positions are consistent with the Syria War position. His being a good speaker doesn't change this - anymore than it did for Reagan or Clinton.

The "Rethuglicans are worse" bit doesn't cut it either. Larry Summers is, at the minimum, guilty of Gross Negligence on multiple counts - most notably Glass Stegall - yet he is on the "short list" for Fed-Chair? Trade policy falls into this category - no light between Pres. Obama and McCain or Rand on that topic.

Where the rubber meets the road, Pres. Obama's positions are terrible. His wedge-issue positions are a sideshow - a contrived sideshow, I should add, to bolster the illusion of choice. We had better get it together in the next Primary and stop buying the "media-says electable" lies. "Mutt and Jeff" / "Good Cop Bad Cop" games must be seen as what they are - a trick. Buy into either and we elect another representative of Wall St - and We The Working People loose the election - again.

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I don't give a shit about Rand Paul, or Obama's political standing, or House GOP motivations. [View all] WilliamPitt Sep 2013 OP

Bet you are a "Putin Lover" too, eh? LOL Purveyor Sep 2013 #1

It's unreal, isn't it? The transformation into Bushbots is complete. Marr Sep 2013 #36

We have entered strange, new territory. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #45

It is unreal. City Lights Sep 2013 #52

What's even more unreal is that they don't see themselves as using that type of thinking. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #95

Very true. City Lights Sep 2013 #108

The upside is it is a small group of people but they are loud and Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #159

I felt it coming . . . aggiesal Sep 2013 #59

Could it be... cynzke Sep 2013 #73

and it helps further empty out politics: bystanders can mumble "now the left and right are the same" MisterP Sep 2013 #74

+1 leftstreet Sep 2013 #87

So true MissDeeds Sep 2013 #126

This may transform DU in a way.. 7962 Sep 2013 #175

i think it is actually worse when we do it SwampG8r Sep 2013 #191

Unfortunately there is a substantial group on here that will never see it. cui bono Sep 2013 #195

It's like they are mesmerized or something. Oh, wait. 9/11. The end. nt silvershadow Sep 2013 #136

You were right about the belligerent, lockstepping. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #213

Putin, but Nevermind China - Our "Trading Partner," Who Backs Putin HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #171

bush wanted to do this to syria. if this were bush, there would be marches roguevalley Sep 2013 #193

+1. Excellently put. badtoworse Sep 2013 #2

You're making Obama's Ardent Supporters™ cry leftstreet Sep 2013 #3

The are practically hemorrhaging gallons of tears through their eyes as I write this. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #12

Thank you. I feel like I'm in a surreal dream. K&R myrna minx Sep 2013 #4

I'm a big supporter of President Obama, but not on everything. THIS is one of those things kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #5

Ditto fadedrose Sep 2013 #16

All of these 'bright' men can surely come up with a different solution than sinkingfeeling Sep 2013 #6

Amen to that jsr Sep 2013 #7

The war supporters are treating this like it is some sort of football game n/t n2doc Sep 2013 #8

And that truly disgusts me. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #29

I hate when people just blindly root for their home team. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #49

+1 million. Syria's already a clusterfuck and it's far from clear that the U.S. winter is coming Sep 2013 #58

That is what Republicans and Conservatives do. RC Sep 2013 #76

Thank you. nt wandy Sep 2013 #9

rec! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #10

Well put. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #11

Thanks. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #13

LOL! There is precedent for that. badtoworse Sep 2013 #15

Hhmm... avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #21

But Will RobertEarl Sep 2013 #14

If they laugh, bomb them. jsr Sep 2013 #19

Exactly. n/t crim son Sep 2013 #24

Ha AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #25

Well said. I heartily agree. Demit Sep 2013 #17

Thanks man whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #18

I was just about to post almost exactly the same thing. cali Sep 2013 #20

Spot. Fucking. On. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #22

When's Obama's next Catfood Commission coming up? blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #23

k&r. Thanks, William. nt antigop Sep 2013 #26

Spot On Wolf Frankula Sep 2013 #27

Why doesn't PBO care about looking tough with America's REAL enemies - the Rethugs??? chimpymustgo Sep 2013 #88

It's already started QuestForSense Sep 2013 #89

Thank you for that! lark Sep 2013 #28

And over the top hyperbole is clearly not solely a right-wing phenomenon either. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #30

^^^ Irony ^^^ WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #34

Would be true ... if I was know on DU for endless OPs with over the top hyperbole. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #37

I picture one of those Strong Man machines at circuses Whisp Sep 2013 #65

lol, no kidding. Marr Sep 2013 #38

The phrase 'you're wrong and you're boring made me think of you. Specifically. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #93

Pretty much consistently. Puglover Sep 2013 #131

+oo phantom power Sep 2013 #31

I knew it was a mistake when Obama, Kerry, and Bob started taking that damn supplement. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #32

Pfffttt! Enthusiast Sep 2013 #110

THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2013 #33

the "strange bedfellows" thing is the least surprising stupidicus Sep 2013 #35

Your middle sentence captures the reality most in this thread seem to miss. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #42

wow, you mean those falsely charged with BS stupidicus Sep 2013 #46

it's gone past annoying and is now just plain sad Skittles Sep 2013 #78

It is simply the wrong thing to do to murder more people. We have no cause to be part of it. Ford_Prefect Sep 2013 #39

Obama Foolish? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #172

There's always more (borrowed) money for war FlyByNight Sep 2013 #40

Do you mean borrowed blue14u Sep 2013 #152

Of Course Hillary Supports the War - DLC = RNC = CFR = USCOC on Foreign Policy and Trade HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #183

Thank you HAR for the info blue14u Sep 2013 #196

This shouldn't bother anyone. ocpagu Sep 2013 #41

Amen, brother Will.... WCGreen Sep 2013 #43

K&R with a bit of sadness...... marmar Sep 2013 #44

The Cult of Personality ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #47

Most people don't have the ability/knowledge OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #53

Very well expressed. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #98

Hey! This isn't Libertarian Leftist Underground! beerandjesus Sep 2013 #79

I see what you did there! Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #99

I was just informed by that special someone that it's gunning for you and all Anarchists Dragonfli Sep 2013 #151

LMAO ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #155

It has been quite obviously no friend of the left since it first developed limbs and crawled Dragonfli Sep 2013 #156

Yes, you have been flagged for safe passage. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #160

I just acquired my PHD in Philosophy, want to read my dissertation? Dragonfli Sep 2013 #162

I saw that. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #163

I had no trouble following any of your posts or arguments... well.. Dragonfli Sep 2013 #164

I think the Marx and Jesus thing through it off. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #167

I agree, but it was not hard to understand, it just seems easily thrown Dragonfli Sep 2013 #169

Bob Altemeyer talks a bit about that his book in The Authoritarians. Marr Sep 2013 #214

Correct. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #215

Hey, I'm glad the GOP are mostly opposing Obama on this Ocelot Sep 2013 #48

Hey, I'm glad.... frog64 Sep 2013 #204

"World Corut"? Ocelot Sep 2013 #205

world corut frog64 Sep 2013 #222

Being raised in a (generally) scientific family, I try to see each issue on a level plane and... BlueJazz Sep 2013 #50

Thank you, Will! City Lights Sep 2013 #51

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #54

"You're wrong, and you're boring." Oh snap! tblue Sep 2013 #55

Bingo - K&R n/t DeSwiss Sep 2013 #56

K & R (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #57

Had to log in just to say a-fucking-men! MindPilot Sep 2013 #60

$$$$$$ WAR PROFIT INC. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #100

This SO needed to be said. woo me with science Sep 2013 #61

Agree. n/t onyourleft Sep 2013 #62

K&R. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #63

I've been involved in some of the stupidest conversations of my life... RevStPatrick Sep 2013 #64

what's hilarious is they will speak of "Obama Derangement Syndrome" Skittles Sep 2013 #83

Be careful how you phrase that MNBrewer Sep 2013 #235

it's a crap shoot, MN Skittles Sep 2013 #236

Clearly stated. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #66

Of course you are right. But for the sake of the partisans among us, it's worth noting totodeinhere Sep 2013 #67

"I was not born with that particular gene" Union Scribe Sep 2013 #68

Genetic for some, woo me with science Sep 2013 #146

. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #179

I'm never first in line felix_numinous Sep 2013 #69

Amen WCGreen Sep 2013 #70

Qadima tried to start a war to "keep the warmongers out of office" too MisterP Sep 2013 #71

K&R for critical thinking Blue Owl Sep 2013 #72

Part of the descent of civilization into madness. malthaussen Sep 2013 #75

Well said and thank you! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #77

Thank you, Will markpkessinger Sep 2013 #80

there is no right or wrong answer think_critically Sep 2013 #81

Wow. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #85

a couple of cruise missiles will cause all of this? think_critically Sep 2013 #97

The anti-war crowd is "fear mongering plain and simple"? beerandjesus Sep 2013 #101

absolutely think_critically Sep 2013 #105

Funny, I thought it was the pro-war guys who kept calling Assad "Hitler". beerandjesus Sep 2013 #107

not true think_critically Sep 2013 #109

The same way -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #113

First of all, you make my central point for me. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #118

big difference think_critically Sep 2013 #130

this is silly: innocents will die for the US's so-called "credibility" noiretextatique Sep 2013 #134

Indeed, there is a big difference beerandjesus Sep 2013 #148

Credibility, really? Blanks Sep 2013 #147

Nice to be "Fair" - But Better to Know the Facts HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #186

a couple of cruise missiles? frylock Sep 2013 #120

thank you! noiretextatique Sep 2013 #135

And you think a couple pecwae Sep 2013 #138

Uh yeah, that is a distinct possibility. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #165

Iran won't risk their country? Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2013 #212

I haven't seen such casual disregard for military force since the Bush years. Congratulations. Marr Sep 2013 #217

this is what I'm talking about think_critically Sep 2013 #219

Your thinking on this is just Bizzarro-World, from top to bottom. Now you're saying Al Qaeda Marr Sep 2013 #220

"If you let a dictator use chemical weapons nearly a dozen times" kath Sep 2013 #157

and i bet you all support this guy and his wife think_critically Sep 2013 #216

"You're wrong, we're right. Period, end of file." iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #82

I have to agree this is what the president decided to spend his political capital on Arcanetrance Sep 2013 #84

Well spoken DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #86

Thumbs up! blackspade Sep 2013 #90

Damn Good Post n/t fredamae Sep 2013 #91

k/r - shout it loud. 840high Sep 2013 #92

So sick of these lame attempts attempts to manipulate people. We need everyone we can get on sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #94

Convinced anyone with an opposing view to change their minds lately? pkdu Sep 2013 #187

Yes, I have actually. How about you? And I didn't have to attack them, all I had to do was to sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #190

Excellent post, thank you WilliamPitt. Scuba Sep 2013 #96

I am a ardent supporter of President Obama BUT tartan2 Sep 2013 #102

France Supports Re-Colonization By the "rebel" Terrorist-Proxy-Army, England's Paliament Voted 'No' HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #188

It's like I've said with the difference between Democrats and Republicans.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #103

Will, I really believe that Obama doesn't want to strike Syria and he knows the more he appears to kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #104

When someone actually uses one of those lines of reasoning. sendero Sep 2013 #106

Thank you! 20score Sep 2013 #111

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #112

My first thread of the day... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #114

omg your rant sounds just like Hunter B.S. Thompson! Whisp Sep 2013 #115

"If Mr. Obama didn't want his balls in this particular vise, he should not have dangled them there." ProSense Sep 2013 #116

Where do you stand on this? WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #117

I initially stated ProSense Sep 2013 #124

Thanks for answering. n/t WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #125

It was a careful non-answer. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #166

Pro-Sense has likely not yet made up her mind ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #182

You forgot the sarcasm smiley. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #199

Pointing out facts that contradict a partisan loon's slanted mindset isn't an insult ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #211

You tell it like it is!! K&R n/t Duval Sep 2013 #119

Well said. moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #121

Recommended. There are times you are at your best. That time is now. Autumn Sep 2013 #122

Best. Post. Ever. Ishoutandscream2 Sep 2013 #123

Well said MissDeeds Sep 2013 #127

Many of us were not born with that particular gene. k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #128

+one fugging million malaise Sep 2013 #129

Bravo!! Liberal_Dog Sep 2013 #132

K&R idwiyo Sep 2013 #133

You really want to destroy the president's credibility? golfguru Sep 2013 #137

I wondered whose fault it was that Obama's credibility has taken a hit. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #139

*wipes off keyboard and screen* WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #141

You want to watch us christx30 Sep 2013 #184

K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #140

K and freaking R!!!! Well said. ~eom 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #142

god, no lockstep with you heaven05 Sep 2013 #143

1913. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #144

I shall, thanks heaven05 Sep 2013 #145

Mosaddegh and Boehner must be related golfguru Sep 2013 #153

While I won't make any such accusations... Adrahil Sep 2013 #149

Who is telling you you're with Rand Paul? creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #150

You apparently missed this gem from yesterday: scarletwoman Sep 2013 #176

Yes, I didn't see that one creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #221

+1000% - My sentiment exactly! -- n/t mazzarro Sep 2013 #154

I bet at the end of the day LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #158

Preach It! paulbibeau Sep 2013 #161

"You're wrong, we're right. Period, end of file" YES Agony Sep 2013 #168

Will, you just accused us of the same thing you asked us jazzimov Sep 2013 #170

Which Targets? Assad's or Al Qaeda's ?? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #180

Thank you. n/t Triana Sep 2013 #173

Like a broken clock The Wizard Sep 2013 #174

K&R MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #177

I harbor the same thoughts gopiscrap Sep 2013 #178

I, generally, respect ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #181

Your respectful reply is unwarranted. great white snark Sep 2013 #201

Talk about strange bedfellows ... today I found myself BlueMTexpat Sep 2013 #185

Agreed. donheld Sep 2013 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #192

But the president asking for congress' approval was a brilliant move! cui bono Sep 2013 #194

It's just getting started WP florida08 Sep 2013 #197

Thanks WilliamPitt orenbus Sep 2013 #198

+1000. K&R. Agreed. Pathetic and desperate arguments. GoneFishin Sep 2013 #200

K&R Zavulon Sep 2013 #202

Huge K&R NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #203

If only this flash of common sense could be applied to other topics. krispos42 Sep 2013 #206

But how are we going to fight a war on terror if we don't create more terrorists? av8rdave Sep 2013 #207

Balls in vise? nolabels Sep 2013 #208

Great post Oilwellian Sep 2013 #209

Someone needs to write a satire: The Democatic Guide to being a Good German Coyotl Sep 2013 #210

Thankfully Will it is a small group of Left haters. Rex Sep 2013 #218

Kick. I want this to stay on top. nt woo me with science Sep 2013 #223

Keep in mind, George Bush set this all up, so it's a no-win situation for any president Mellow Drama Sep 2013 #224

''You're wrong, and you're boring.'' Whisp Sep 2013 #225

How can you not support the President? SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #226

Yup. It's the Call to Stupid. woo me with science Sep 2013 #227

Logical fallacy that fuels propaganda or a straw man. Cleita Sep 2013 #229

But thinking is sooooo hard. "We're good, they're evil" is so much easier. Scuba Sep 2013 #230

You are so right on the money. I wish I could avebury Sep 2013 #231

You nailed it. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #233

+1 OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #234

k&r Electric Monk Sep 2013 #237

Boring and bored. gordianot Sep 2013 #228

K&R! nt Poll_Blind Sep 2013 #232

kick for the 'wrong and boring' OP. Whisp Sep 2013 #238

HEY! Thanks for saying what needs to be said! Agony Sep 2013 #239

Your derision of Obama and how he manages foreign policy is duly noted Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #240

Recommend! After some ugly stuff today...Think this needs a Re-Visit! KoKo Sep 2013 #241