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delrem

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101. Not the crime that Pres. Obama supposedly has "secret classified proof" of.

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:17 PM

Sep 2013

If the US unilaterally bombs fuck out of Syria based on secret classified evidence then the US will be openly committing a war crime, and that *fact* will have much more credibility than Obama's "secret classified evidence".

The UN exists for a reason, and the US seems to be pissing on it.
I thought that kind of pissing on the UN had ended with John Bolton's masters were voted out of office, after the populations heartfelt yearning for change, and hope.

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I like Kerry. I like Obama. I don't think they are lying to us about why we are about to bomb Syria [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 OP

Watch Kerry on Chris Hayes, and tell me he isn't lying. The Link Sep 2013 #1

what exactly do you think he is lying about? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #4

Air strikes will hurt the "extremists rebels" and help the moderates. The Link Sep 2013 #6

depending on how the air strikes went, this might not be a lie La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #9

The funny thing about extremists.... obxhead Sep 2013 #40

thats like saying osama looks like other afghanis. if you know where particular militant groups La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #53

How many civilian deaths will you accept? nt HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #56

do you not see in the OP where i said i was against this war??? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #57

I was responding to your post... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #62

again, i am against this war as i am about other wars La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #63

I believe Assad should be stopped from attacking his own people. Some how some way. lumpy Sep 2013 #73

I'm against the strike too creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #65

I hope that is the plan, for limited strategic targeted strikes if it is to happen. lumpy Sep 2013 #77

The "bad rebels" (sheeeee...) control all rebel held (jihadi) territory. delrem Sep 2013 #104

How likely is that? quakerboy Sep 2013 #81

Special X-TREME bombs. They only hurt the X-TREME. /nt Marr Sep 2013 #14

I don't know how you get "lie" out of that. Skidmore Sep 2013 #17

He just said he and Hagel both opposed Iraq but they both actually voted for it and both Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #13

People, even politicians, are presumed to intend the natural consequenses of their voluntary actions AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #90

Many people here claim the adminnistration is lying, I haven't had a truthful answer, yet. lumpy Sep 2013 #67

They Have Offered No Proof That Assad Used Chemical Weapons. Justina For Justice Sep 2013 #87

How do you know? Inuca Sep 2013 #114

i agree with the way you see it. yup. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #2

Kerry definitely lied about AQ not being in Syria. bunnies Sep 2013 #3

He did not say the group wasn't in Syria. Here is what he said: ProSense Sep 2013 #8

Thats not the exchange I was referring to. bunnies Sep 2013 #21

You have to read all the statements in these articles, doncha' know. lumpy Sep 2013 #68

You are taking Putin's comment of what he said as fact karynnj Sep 2013 #108

He didn't say that. He said there are more moderate forces blm Sep 2013 #12

IIRC, it was a yes or no question that Im referring to. bunnies Sep 2013 #25

You said Kerry definately lied. You should be able to back up your claim. Period. lumpy Sep 2013 #69

Ive been searching since I posted this. bunnies Sep 2013 #71

WW2 saying, " loose lips sink ships." lumpy Sep 2013 #75

Sanity Rec. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #5

+1 Hekate Sep 2013 #103

I like them too - but I trust absolutely no politician. None. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #7

i dont have to trust them to know they are right. i hear news from non-american sources La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #10

they may well be right - but I still do not implicitly trust any politician. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #11

That's because you have sense Aerows Sep 2013 #30

I guess I am also a natural cynic/skeptic - my parents told me to never trust authority! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #33

Survive? Aerows Sep 2013 #35

That is entirely your problem. Sad lumpy Sep 2013 #76

Why is it a problem? And it's funny...I don't feel like it - or I - am particularly sad. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #78

I do have concern for you feelings about having feelings for other people. lumpy Sep 2013 #84

Wow. you don't know me. I have great capacity for love - NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #89

Dropping bombs on a war torn nation will not bring peace. Cleita Sep 2013 #22

i just said that it wouldn't work as a strategy although IMO had we intervened at the start of this La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #29

Since when did that figure into foreign policy decisions? Marr Sep 2013 #24

i never said that it should. what i said is that assad tortures his people, and that is not a lie. n La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #31

Is that really up for debate? If Bush tortured people, why would anyone dispute whether Assad did? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #93

Small historical note pursuant to your OP: While Britaiin does bear a huge amount HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #15

i intended to say britain and france. They along with belgians and Dutch also caused irreparable La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #16

About the only positives to come out of 4 centures of European imperialism are HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #23

bahn-mi & the indian railroad are to me the only 2 highlights La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #27

Yeah, I was being somewhat facetious, although I do have a soft spot for HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #36

i do too athough the indian parliament is a joke. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #38

Agreed...as I can tell, the plan suffers from a lack of legitimacy and uncertain effectiveness alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #18

If you see a plan here you're doing a lot better than I am. All I see is.... wandy Sep 2013 #64

K&R. Well said. n/t FSogol Sep 2013 #19

Why is his so-called "proof" classified? Why is the operation classified? delrem Sep 2013 #20

Check my logic here - does "If It weren't a lie it wouldn't be classified" make sense? el_bryanto Sep 2013 #49

Not your fucking "proof" for committing a war crime, el_bryanto delrem Sep 2013 #52

Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #61

yes - we're living in Orwellian newspeak, and it's a fuckin' awesome experience. delrem Sep 2013 #102

Ah a war crime - like the one Assad commited? nt el_bryanto Sep 2013 #100

Not the crime that Pres. Obama supposedly has "secret classified proof" of. delrem Sep 2013 #101

Well - they did go to the UN - but Russia has made it clear they will block any vote el_bryanto Sep 2013 #112

I see. The US only pisses all over the UN when the UN doesn't acquiesce to US demands for war. nt delrem Sep 2013 #116

I think this is a measured and reasoned argument. I'll take it a step further....I don't think the msanthrope Sep 2013 #26

to be fair i think we escalate the likelihood that he will hit israel La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #28

I think eliminating his ability to do so might have come to the forefront. msanthrope Sep 2013 #34

It's a case you can only make in the hypothetical and that's the problem. ProSense Sep 2013 #44

Anyone who studied Assad's command of the occupation of Lebanon knows that the msanthrope Sep 2013 #48

Syria and Israel been peaceful since 1973. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #58

Kick and Rec! LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #32

I don't think they're lying. I just disagree with their way of handling this. Triana Sep 2013 #37

oh i completely agree. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #39

Why are you comparing it to Bush's Iraq war instead of Obama's Liyba intervention? Tx4obama Sep 2013 #43

There was a UN resolution and broad international support A Little Weird Sep 2013 #74

It is not a 'war' it is an intervention. Just like we did in Libya but w/o no-fly zone. Tx4obama Sep 2013 #41

Von Clauswitz: "War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will." grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #50

Airstrikes are not war? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #94

They do seem to be avoiding something zipplewrath Sep 2013 #42

The chemicals used this time were stronger and killed more people - and this time... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #45

Yes zipplewrath Sep 2013 #46

GWB was torturing people, why bomb Syria nd not arrest GWB??? grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #47

Agree! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2013 #51

They're being lied to. All presidents are. So is the SOS. Warpy Sep 2013 #54

Respectfully, no. Tet showed the American public that LBJ was lying once again. His reputation AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #97

That is my position also for almost the exact reasons, etc. nt stevenleser Sep 2013 #55

I bet Assad would take a deal so he doesn't wind up like Gaddafi. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #59

Well I am with you on this.. I see no upside either.. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #60

I don't think they're lying... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2013 #66

If they are making plans to have boots on the ground, they are lying when they say that they AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #70

what makes you think they are putting boots on ground? they repeatedly said they are not La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #72

Kerry, in response to a question about boots on the ground A Little Weird Sep 2013 #79

Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #85

What he was talking about is... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #91

I understand A Little Weird Sep 2013 #95

What makes you think that Congress should not hold hearings to determine the true intent? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #86

Liking Kerry or Obama is totally irrelevant. This isn't Middle School. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #80

Thank you. Forwarding to 840high Sep 2013 #82

If you say so...... lumpy Sep 2013 #92

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #98

I think we should drop food/medicine to NK Marrah_G Sep 2013 #83

I like your idea..... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #96

If we really cared about Americans we would drop food/medication in Detroit not bombs in Syria. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #88

true Marrah_G Sep 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #99

The lie is not what Assad has done. That is true. morningfog Sep 2013 #105

You have no fucking *proof* of that statement. It's *classified*. delrem Sep 2013 #107

The lies are obvious. Their positions internally inconsistent. morningfog Sep 2013 #109

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ bvar22 Sep 2013 #115

If we intervened when humanitarian needs went unmet here at home I might believe them. Scuba Sep 2013 #110

What about the claim that this could become a threat to the US? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #111

america has also been torturing its people for years noiretextatique Sep 2013 #113

agreed. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2013 #117