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DissidentVoice

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36. I don't think the Democratic Party, as it stands today, CAN be changed

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:49 AM

Sep 2013

I see a split, schism, whatever you want to call it, coming in the Democratic Party.

One wing of the party, dominated by the DLC/Third Way lot, will continue to try to push the myth that being "Republican-lite" is the only path to "electability." They will try to keep the name of the party.

Another wing may or may not split off from the party...the part that remembers FDR and the days before Democrats laid down and let Republicans kick them on health care, welfare reform, etc., and didn't try to ride their coattails for "electability" and that bog-awful term "triangulation." They may or may not gravitate toward the Greens, Socialists, etc...or try to build another Democratic Party in the mould of the pre-DLC party.

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I sense that we've reached a tipping point [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 OP

I agree good post! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1

"Larry 'Toonces' Summers": Squinch Sep 2013 #2

You can't say more Aerows Sep 2013 #4

"Toonces! Look out!" Sure Summers can manage. Just not very well. Squinch Sep 2013 #6

How can you say that with Victoria Jackson going off a cliff in a car? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #34

I think she's already gone off some kind of cliff. That's a nutjob, that one. Squinch Sep 2013 #60

plus... sendero Sep 2013 #3

I think you're right. We are in for a very interesting ride. Autumn Sep 2013 #5

That storm on the horizon that I have spoken of... 99Forever Sep 2013 #7

Nice post, manny.. russspeakeasy Sep 2013 #8

I think they underestimate Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #9

We need to write a new Declaration of Independence. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #10

We should look at the old one and see if we can use anything there also. I know it's been ditched sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #46

The existing one would be a good start. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #49

We will know the moment. Certainly, on this board, the think-tank crowd has lost their ability grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #11

"the think-tank crowd" CrispyQ Sep 2013 #45

Your sig line is brilliant. snagglepuss Sep 2013 #70

I stole it from somewhere. ;) CrispyQ Sep 2013 #71

Agreed... defacto7 Sep 2013 #12

Someone has to step up pscot Sep 2013 #13

We have the history. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #15

I agree with you about Warren pscot Sep 2013 #18

I think we should not rely on leaders wilsonbooks Sep 2013 #19

Kinda both, I think MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #20

I disagree-- when people decide en masse to change things, 'leaders' jump in front of the parade Marr Sep 2013 #22

There are a few voices we are hearing who I believe could lead the way out of the current sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Sep 2013 #52

"May you live in interesting times" pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #14

K&R DeSwiss Sep 2013 #16

I never thought we'd reach this point, frankly Hydra Sep 2013 #17

People tend to be on blissful autopilot until they're in pain MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #21

Chrystia Freeland observes in her insightful book Plutocrats that the the 1% snagglepuss Sep 2013 #72

That would make sense Hydra Sep 2013 #75

Nice. blackspade Sep 2013 #23

please, I am not sure we are there yet, hollysmom Sep 2013 #24

"just keep swimming" ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #25

I fear... nikto Sep 2013 #26

That's what we need to work on MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #27

Thanks for the great post, Manny... tex-wyo-dem Sep 2013 #33

they will hide but they wont be safe matt in france Sep 2013 #39

That's beginning to happen for the first time in my memory, a convergence between the right and the sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #48

K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #28

Bush was able to whip up a hysteria that resembles majority support BlueStreak Sep 2013 #29

^^this^^ Celefin Sep 2013 #43

However, there is still a bit of unpleasantness to go through... malthaussen Sep 2013 #30

Cornered rats come to mind. nt snagglepuss Sep 2013 #74

Maybe And I Surely Hope So colsohlibgal Sep 2013 #31

I like reading what you've written, Manny, and I agree with you this time NBachers Sep 2013 #32

You are right Manny mick063 Sep 2013 #35

I don't think the Democratic Party, as it stands today, CAN be changed DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #36

The DLC needs to go take over the Republican Party, which is going to die if DebJ Sep 2013 #62

Agreed! DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #76

Who do you think funded them? It took over a decade to dig it out, but it turns out Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #82

Perhaps the Trojan Horse we were sold full of Hope & Change BrotherIvan Sep 2013 #37

i agree matt in france Sep 2013 #38

Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Sep 2013 #40

Better we get tough now bluedeathray Sep 2013 #41

I love Warren ctsnowman Sep 2013 #42

Yes!! Autumn Colors Sep 2013 #64

lol IKR ctsnowman Sep 2013 #66

We've only been in this district for 2 years now Autumn Colors Sep 2013 #77

Kick for morning optimism! Scuba Sep 2013 #44

Can people still afford to buy tickets to football games,.... Hotler Sep 2013 #50

I'm beginning to think Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #51

Not delievering any Cryptoad Sep 2013 #53

No its not. You're very confused. bvar22 Sep 2013 #65

Just because you do not Cryptoad Sep 2013 #79

I find it amusing that in Cryptoad World, bvar22 Sep 2013 #80

Passivise is not a necessary a Liberal Virtue. Cryptoad Sep 2013 #89

Another bizarre/diversionary Strawman. bvar22 Sep 2013 #96

Seems you are the one that keeps changing subjects Cryptoad Sep 2013 #97

Same place, same subject. bvar22 Sep 2013 #98

More Cryptoad Sep 2013 #99

I fully agree....but will a strike without international support really work? We need to be careful. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #87

Aggreed Cryptoad Sep 2013 #90

I have reasonable faith in him as well. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #92

Got my little Toad toes crossed for him! nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #93

We have the power to do nothing, and we need to get together and agree on how to do it wisely. Zorra Sep 2013 #54

Thank you for posting this. woo me with science Sep 2013 #56

My pleasure. Zorra Sep 2013 #67

Oh Manny, I hope you're right. Myrina Sep 2013 #55

We have been at the 'tipping point' for a hundred years. randome Sep 2013 #57

And we need to organize internationally ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #58

I hope so. It's about goddamn time. nt Nay Sep 2013 #59

who are you kidding? heaven05 Sep 2013 #61

Thank you for a glimmer of hope in a dark world. I SO hope you are right! joanbarnes Sep 2013 #63

There IS hope! bvar22 Sep 2013 #68

I don't remember ever seeing such a high level of opposition against a war in the US. ocpagu Sep 2013 #69

Some of us have been trying to shake this nation awake for the past 45 years. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #78

1 Party, 2 Faces, and against the 99% blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #73

It's called an apogee ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #81

K&R Veilex Sep 2013 #83

k&r - moving toward critical mass! polichick Sep 2013 #84

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #85

Great post Mr. Goldstein Matariki Sep 2013 #86

All of this make me very happy, but... Chan790 Sep 2013 #88

K&R liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #91

Doubleplusgood Agony Sep 2013 #94

K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #95

kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #100

We, the 99% in this country, are the majority NOT the 1%. We need to start RKP5637 Sep 2013 #101