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In reply to the discussion: Kerry: We have to attack Syria or the rebel forces will gain strength. Er, what? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)22. The confusion may be that some equate "rebels" with "extremists", while the other poster
seems to think that "extremists" refers to the jihadist factions of the rebels.
I guarantee you if we turn our backs today, the picture we all saw in the paper today and the media of those people shot, that will take place more because more extremists will be attracted to this, Kerry said in an interview with MSNBCs Chris Hayes.
Because they will be funded as the only alternative in order to take on Assad, he warned.
Because they will be funded as the only alternative in order to take on Assad, he warned.
If you substitute "rebels" in "because more extremists will be attracted to this" ("because more rebels will be attracted to this"
If the other poster substitutes "jihadists" in "because more extremists will be attracted to this" ("because more jihadists will be attracted to this"
I think Kerry means "jihadists" (or 'terrorists' or 'al Qaeda', etc.) when he says "extremists" because he goes on to say Because they will be funded as the only alternative in order to take on Assad.
Look, I think Assad's forces are guilty but a strike on them is not a good idea. It may weaken Assad militarily for a short time, but in the long run it may strengthen him because 'he stood up to the US and survived their attack'. It will make negotiations more difficult and that is the only way this will be resolved. Neither side is strong enough to win militarily alone.
They will have to negotiate a settlement in one of two directions. Either Syria remains intact and the government that emerges is based on majority and minority rights. Or, if they (the Sunni majority and/or the substantial Alawite/Shia/Christian minorities) are convinced that the Sunni majority cannot live peacefully with all the minority groups that make up much of the population, there will have to be some kind of partition. The last option is to keep the slaughter going until most Syrians are dead or refugees in other countries and someone emerges on top of an utterly destroyed country; Syria remains intact with a repressive dictatorship either of a Sunni majority repressing Alawites, Shia, Christians and other minorities or of minority groups repressing the majority Sunnis.
The first option is the best because, as a liberal, it is hard to favor any option that involves someone being repressed, but it looks very difficult to achieve given how long this conflict has gone on.
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Kerry: We have to attack Syria or the rebel forces will gain strength. Er, what? [View all]
cali
Sep 2013
OP
That's right up there with "he has to destroy the village to save the village."
David__77
Sep 2013
#3
k&r Let us bomb or we will fund 'rebels', INCLUDING AQ? Is that what he is actually said?
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#5
"more extremists will be attracted to this" - not what you've mangled into your OP title.
Bolo Boffin
Sep 2013
#7
oh fucking please. It's exactly what I said and it's digusting bullshit for that man
cali
Sep 2013
#8
No, it is not, and your distracting and doubling-down defense of it is what's disgusting here.
Bolo Boffin
Sep 2013
#12
After reading your explanation I agree with Cali. The title of the OP is correct.
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#26
You're wrong, too. The rebels are not all extremists. Kerry is clearly making that distinction. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Sep 2013
#29
Ahhhh, those ellusive 'moderate rebels' that only Kerry knows about. Those ones...
idwiyo
Sep 2013
#36
The OP mangles what John Kerry said in a cheap shot at him. That should make no one proud. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Sep 2013
#41
The confusion may be that some equate "rebels" with "extremists", while the other poster
pampango
Sep 2013
#22
You are smarter than this - Kerry is referring to the AQ extremists, not to ALL rebels
karynnj
Sep 2013
#24
His point is if the US drops support of the moderates - (ie "turns its back"), then the
karynnj
Sep 2013
#28
Decisions ...decisions ...which terrorist group to help out? Hezbollah or Al-Nusra?
L0oniX
Sep 2013
#34
Kerry is right about the worst elements of the rebels gaining strength if nothing is done
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#46