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pampango

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22. The confusion may be that some equate "rebels" with "extremists", while the other poster
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:10 AM
Sep 2013

seems to think that "extremists" refers to the jihadist factions of the rebels.

“I guarantee you if we turn our backs today, the picture we all saw in the paper today and the media of those people shot, that will take place more because more extremists will be attracted to this,” Kerry said in an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes.

“Because they will be funded as the only alternative in order to take on Assad,” he warned.

If you substitute "rebels" in "because more extremists will be attracted to this" ("because more rebels will be attracted to this&quot , your take is correct. Kerry's statement does not make any sense.

If the other poster substitutes "jihadists" in "because more extremists will be attracted to this" ("because more jihadists will be attracted to this&quot Kerry's statement makes more sense. The jihadists have their funding no matter what. If no one funds the non-jihadist factions in the opposition, then the influence of the jihadists in the opposition grows.

I think Kerry means "jihadists" (or 'terrorists' or 'al Qaeda', etc.) when he says "extremists" because he goes on to say “Because they will be funded as the only alternative in order to take on Assad”.

Look, I think Assad's forces are guilty but a strike on them is not a good idea. It may weaken Assad militarily for a short time, but in the long run it may strengthen him because 'he stood up to the US and survived their attack'. It will make negotiations more difficult and that is the only way this will be resolved. Neither side is strong enough to win militarily alone.

They will have to negotiate a settlement in one of two directions. Either Syria remains intact and the government that emerges is based on majority and minority rights. Or, if they (the Sunni majority and/or the substantial Alawite/Shia/Christian minorities) are convinced that the Sunni majority cannot live peacefully with all the minority groups that make up much of the population, there will have to be some kind of partition. The last option is to keep the slaughter going until most Syrians are dead or refugees in other countries and someone emerges on top of an utterly destroyed country; Syria remains intact with a repressive dictatorship either of a Sunni majority repressing Alawites, Shia, Christians and other minorities or of minority groups repressing the majority Sunnis.

The first option is the best because, as a liberal, it is hard to favor any option that involves someone being repressed, but it looks very difficult to achieve given how long this conflict has gone on.

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Botox May Affect the Brain-scientific study Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #1
I never thought highly of Kerry. cali Sep 2013 #2
The DC bubble causes brain disease. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #35
That's right up there with "he has to destroy the village to save the village." David__77 Sep 2013 #3
Well his beloved moderate insurgents just attacked an ancient Christian City in KoKo Sep 2013 #32
He is as loose a cannon as McCain. Downwinder Sep 2013 #4
k&r Let us bomb or we will fund 'rebels', INCLUDING AQ? Is that what he is actually said? idwiyo Sep 2013 #5
So he's already moving away from 'must strike because of chemical weapons'? Celefin Sep 2013 #6
"more extremists will be attracted to this" - not what you've mangled into your OP title. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #7
oh fucking please. It's exactly what I said and it's digusting bullshit for that man cali Sep 2013 #8
What Kerry said is NOT what you made it out to be. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #9
It is precisely what I said. And you fucking know it. cali Sep 2013 #10
No, it is not, and your distracting and doubling-down defense of it is what's disgusting here. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #12
could you split any more very thin hairs? cali Sep 2013 #13
Now you're misrepresenting me. It's a silly game you're playing. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #14
then what the fuck is your problem with my headline? cali Sep 2013 #15
Your OP title is inaccurate and I've explained why already. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #17
After reading your explanation I agree with Cali. The title of the OP is correct. idwiyo Sep 2013 #26
You're wrong, too. The rebels are not all extremists. Kerry is clearly making that distinction. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #29
Here, let me post a quote for you: idwiyo Sep 2013 #31
They, the extremists, will be funded, as opposed to more moderate rebels. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #33
Ahhhh, those ellusive 'moderate rebels' that only Kerry knows about. Those ones... idwiyo Sep 2013 #36
Disputing the factual basis of what Kerry said is one thing. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #37
Actually I think pro-war apologists make DU suck. OP makes DU proud, IMNSHO. idwiyo Sep 2013 #40
The OP mangles what John Kerry said in a cheap shot at him. That should make no one proud. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #41
OP is correct. idwiyo Sep 2013 #42
OP is a lie as I've demonstrated. Goodbye. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #43
The OP will remain correct regardless of the number of times you say it's not. idwiyo Sep 2013 #44
Lol, apologize right now! My feelings a hurt. morningfog Sep 2013 #20
The disgusting game is this bullshit march to a bills it war. morningfog Sep 2013 #19
The confusion may be that some equate "rebels" with "extremists", while the other poster pampango Sep 2013 #22
Here are some "moderate" non-AQ rebels... David__77 Sep 2013 #11
I told you he was a IDIOT!!! bigdarryl Sep 2013 #16
so that means florida08 Sep 2013 #18
I noticed a similarly twisted argument from Kerry. morningfog Sep 2013 #21
Cali, I have a question about this part of your OP article.... Little Star Sep 2013 #23
You are smarter than this - Kerry is referring to the AQ extremists, not to ALL rebels karynnj Sep 2013 #24
I realize that he's referring to some factions- not just A-Q related, btw cali Sep 2013 #25
Then why the distortion of his point? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #27
His point is if the US drops support of the moderates - (ie "turns its back"), then the karynnj Sep 2013 #28
"Moderate rebels". Marr Sep 2013 #38
You post illustrates the problem with Syria in a nutshell. SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #39
Pathological liar. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #30
Decisions ...decisions ...which terrorist group to help out? Hezbollah or Al-Nusra? L0oniX Sep 2013 #34
Kerry looks like shit. jsr Sep 2013 #45
Kerry is right about the worst elements of the rebels gaining strength if nothing is done bluestate10 Sep 2013 #46
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