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AtheistCrusader

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16. All of that s true, but also look at the customized ASIC chips available for bitcoin mining.

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:00 AM

Sep 2013

Now imagine you had a black budget in the billions to make your own for whatever purpose you wanted, with no accountability, in secret.

Whatever we've been told about the number of computational operations, and the duration to complete it, to brute force certain levels of encryption... is wrong.

If they don't have a private pair key themselves, if they don't know a vulnerability in the random salt generation table, if they don't have a window into an unencrypted link in the transmission path, if they don't have a way to scrape a key from the initial key pair handshake.. why THEN they just brute force it. And I doubt it takes them long to accomplish.

That's my bet anyway.

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A thread for apologies from those who said I was nuts about the NSA [View all] hootinholler Sep 2013 OP

The NSA has been key in developing encryption and security methods. MineralMan Sep 2013 #1

The NSA did the math, not the implementation. hootinholler Sep 2013 #2

Not exactly. The NSA is involved totally in cryptology research MineralMan Sep 2013 #5

All of that s true, but also look at the customized ASIC chips available for bitcoin mining. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #16

Frankly, I don't know their exact capabilities, and I'm not a MineralMan Sep 2013 #52

Do you have a cite for that? joshcryer Sep 2013 #26

For what? The NSA developing algorithms and the math behind AES? hootinholler Sep 2013 #27

And this confirmation you speak of Hutzpa Sep 2013 #41

You do deserve apologies, but I don't think you'll be getting any. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #43

CPU rewrite discussion hueymahl Sep 2013 #46

Thanks for that. n/t hootinholler Sep 2013 #109

here are a couple of articles for those in denial: niyad Sep 2013 #3

Sorry. No apology. longship Sep 2013 #4

No back doors? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #17

My main box is Gentoo Linux. longship Sep 2013 #19

A back door need not be obvious. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #20

Sounds to me you are probably looking for an answer yourself. nt Hutzpa Sep 2013 #25

I am aware of that, too. longship Sep 2013 #30

I think it's fair to say that the security is suspect hootinholler Sep 2013 #34

Well, I know the math and the tech. longship Sep 2013 #45

Perhaps we are at odds over terminology? hootinholler Sep 2013 #58

Okay, I see where you're going. longship Sep 2013 #61

Claiming that you are a hardware engineer Aerows Sep 2013 #78

Who claimed they were a hardware engineer? longship Sep 2013 #82

Thank heaven you didn't Aerows Sep 2013 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2013 #33

And like all such exploits, it was discovered and fixed. longship Sep 2013 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2013 #73

Your post brought a smile. Good one. longship Sep 2013 #75

Even Theo & company missed that one, IIRC Recursion Sep 2013 #64

I'd prefer Aerows Sep 2013 #80

Were you around then? hootinholler Sep 2013 #97

+ 1000 Hutzpa Sep 2013 #24

Fucking typical hootinholler Sep 2013 #28

Awww Did I hurt your feelings Hutzpa Sep 2013 #37

This is why you are wasting your time waiting for an apology. Rex Sep 2013 #39

The way you id a partisan loon is as follows: when they wage a war on math ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #42

I certainly never though you were nuts Aerows Sep 2013 #6

I don't have time to read all the articles but isn't this a case of Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #10

They undoubtably use multiple strategies. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #21

Alice's problem is always Bob Recursion Sep 2013 #65

You have moved back in the last days Aerows Sep 2013 #70

is still insane to say AES is broken Recursion Sep 2013 #107

There is no doubt PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #67

The people that creep into these threads and attempt to sound like rational Aerows Sep 2013 #71

Sorry if you misunderstood. PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #76

Well Aerows Sep 2013 #77

More money does not always equal best PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #85

Can you elaborate? DanTex Sep 2013 #81

Yes and yes PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #91

That passage is regarding commercial vendors. DanTex Sep 2013 #93

I agree PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #94

Rec and kick-- felix_numinous Sep 2013 #7

rec'd for beer and travel money. progressoid Sep 2013 #8

+1 Matariki Sep 2013 #79

sneaking a backdoor into commercial encryption programs yodermon Sep 2013 #9

Point taken... hootinholler Sep 2013 #11

Good luck with the apology Cryptoad Sep 2013 #12

+1 on that ! lunasun Sep 2013 #15

Also the phone system Rumold Sep 2013 #18

voice calls Cryptoad Sep 2013 #53

any Random Thoughts reference will always get a K&R from me corkhead Sep 2013 #13

+1 nolabear Sep 2013 #29

When I was a young pup working at my first real job in the late 60's and early 70's LiberalArkie Sep 2013 #14

Based on what I've found Hydra Sep 2013 #23

I blame Darth the dick Cheney and His cronies Demeter Sep 2013 #31

Cheney and his cadre are certainly part of the problem Hydra Sep 2013 #55

I think there are good guys at the NSA. For example: Richard Clarke avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #35

Good and bad - the NSA harrassed Martin Hellman, but he became friends with Bobby Inman bananas Sep 2013 #36

No need for me to apologize. zeemike Sep 2013 #22

I apologize for those who refuse to see or admit the possibilities Demeter Sep 2013 #32

I agrree with your first statement, truedelphi Sep 2013 #106

Ego much? n/t PasadenaTrudy Sep 2013 #38

No apologies... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #40

Yeah, there knowledge is based on using softwares Hutzpa Sep 2013 #44

people need to understand that uncrackable encryption still exists... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #48

Could not agree more, my friend! PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #47

There's this thing called Linux... ;) devils chaplain Sep 2013 #50

And who wrote the compiler? You have its source, too? MineralMan Sep 2013 #59

I think you're mixing up hardware based encryption with open source software. PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #62

The compiler was written by Richard Stallman. Here's the source. DanTex Sep 2013 #72

As a newbie, I would have said you were nutz. Clown is Down Sep 2013 #51

Always remember if it can be encrpted, then the encryption can be decrypted. It is all a game, Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #54

Yes, but can the data be decrypted in a reasonable amount of time? PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #63

can you work faster than high powered computer, why yes, the smart ones at NSA, etc Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #68

There is only so much electricity and computing power available, right now. PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #69

Time will tell, I will bet on the code being broken. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #86

It's a matter of physical laws, not NSA black magic... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #84

Hey, you never know PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #87

If the encryption is from their files it will probably be broken in short time, remember they Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #88

Do you understanding the premise of the brute force attack? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #89

Regarding what subject, brute force attack applies to many things. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #90

Uhhh...we are talking about encryption so assume the brute force attack is on that subject. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #92

Brute force was before the computers, like brute force required to build the pyrmaids so there is a Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #96

Okay, so your statements lead me to believe you do not understand a brute force attack. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #98

If they had a file in which they already know what the file contains and it is encrpyted then the Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #99

How would they have the encryption key for files they did not themselves generate? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #100

They would probably get it by spying and stealing information, that works pretty well. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #101

If the keys are encrypted themselves then that becomes a useless endeavor. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #103

Never say never, just watch. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #104

Your argument is essentially ludicrous. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #105

omg someone was right on the Internet Enrique Sep 2013 #56

If a middle level grunt has something an unethical billionaire wants, it will be sold, GoneFishin Sep 2013 #57

Good luck with that Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #60

Interesting article... bobGandolf Sep 2013 #66

What's the NSA? Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #74

^^^ +1000 alittlelark Sep 2013 #102

yeah...I remember that...and I'm not a techie. But, your posts were always KoKo Sep 2013 #95

K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #108