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Fri Sep 6, 2013, 08:15 PM

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A thread for apologies from those who said I was nuts about the NSA [View all] hootinholler Sep 2013 OP

The NSA has been key in developing encryption and security methods. MineralMan Sep 2013 #1

The NSA did the math, not the implementation. hootinholler Sep 2013 #2

Not exactly. The NSA is involved totally in cryptology research MineralMan Sep 2013 #5

All of that s true, but also look at the customized ASIC chips available for bitcoin mining. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #16

Frankly, I don't know their exact capabilities, and I'm not a MineralMan Sep 2013 #52

Do you have a cite for that? joshcryer Sep 2013 #26

For what? The NSA developing algorithms and the math behind AES? hootinholler Sep 2013 #27

And this confirmation you speak of Hutzpa Sep 2013 #41

You do deserve apologies, but I don't think you'll be getting any. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #43

CPU rewrite discussion hueymahl Sep 2013 #46

Thanks for that. n/t hootinholler Sep 2013 #109

here are a couple of articles for those in denial: niyad Sep 2013 #3

Sorry. No apology. longship Sep 2013 #4

No back doors? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #17

My main box is Gentoo Linux. longship Sep 2013 #19

A back door need not be obvious. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #20

Sounds to me you are probably looking for an answer yourself. nt Hutzpa Sep 2013 #25

I am aware of that, too. longship Sep 2013 #30

I think it's fair to say that the security is suspect hootinholler Sep 2013 #34

Well, I know the math and the tech. longship Sep 2013 #45

Perhaps we are at odds over terminology? hootinholler Sep 2013 #58

Okay, I see where you're going. longship Sep 2013 #61

Claiming that you are a hardware engineer Aerows Sep 2013 #78

Who claimed they were a hardware engineer? longship Sep 2013 #82

Thank heaven you didn't Aerows Sep 2013 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2013 #33

And like all such exploits, it was discovered and fixed. longship Sep 2013 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2013 #73

Your post brought a smile. Good one. longship Sep 2013 #75

Even Theo & company missed that one, IIRC Recursion Sep 2013 #64

I'd prefer Aerows Sep 2013 #80

Were you around then? hootinholler Sep 2013 #97

+ 1000 Hutzpa Sep 2013 #24

Fucking typical hootinholler Sep 2013 #28

Awww Did I hurt your feelings Hutzpa Sep 2013 #37

This is why you are wasting your time waiting for an apology. Rex Sep 2013 #39

The way you id a partisan loon is as follows: when they wage a war on math ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #42

I certainly never though you were nuts Aerows Sep 2013 #6

I don't have time to read all the articles but isn't this a case of Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #10

They undoubtably use multiple strategies. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #21

Alice's problem is always Bob Recursion Sep 2013 #65

You have moved back in the last days Aerows Sep 2013 #70

is still insane to say AES is broken Recursion Sep 2013 #107

There is no doubt PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #67

The people that creep into these threads and attempt to sound like rational Aerows Sep 2013 #71

Sorry if you misunderstood. PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #76

Well Aerows Sep 2013 #77

More money does not always equal best PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #85

Can you elaborate? DanTex Sep 2013 #81

Yes and yes PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #91

That passage is regarding commercial vendors. DanTex Sep 2013 #93

I agree PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #94

Rec and kick-- felix_numinous Sep 2013 #7

rec'd for beer and travel money. progressoid Sep 2013 #8

+1 Matariki Sep 2013 #79

sneaking a backdoor into commercial encryption programs yodermon Sep 2013 #9

Point taken... hootinholler Sep 2013 #11

Good luck with the apology Cryptoad Sep 2013 #12

+1 on that ! lunasun Sep 2013 #15

Also the phone system Rumold Sep 2013 #18

voice calls Cryptoad Sep 2013 #53

any Random Thoughts reference will always get a K&R from me corkhead Sep 2013 #13

+1 nolabear Sep 2013 #29

When I was a young pup working at my first real job in the late 60's and early 70's LiberalArkie Sep 2013 #14

Based on what I've found Hydra Sep 2013 #23

I blame Darth the dick Cheney and His cronies Demeter Sep 2013 #31

Cheney and his cadre are certainly part of the problem Hydra Sep 2013 #55

I think there are good guys at the NSA. For example: Richard Clarke avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #35

Good and bad - the NSA harrassed Martin Hellman, but he became friends with Bobby Inman bananas Sep 2013 #36

No need for me to apologize. zeemike Sep 2013 #22

I apologize for those who refuse to see or admit the possibilities Demeter Sep 2013 #32

I agrree with your first statement, truedelphi Sep 2013 #106

Ego much? n/t PasadenaTrudy Sep 2013 #38

No apologies... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #40

Yeah, there knowledge is based on using softwares Hutzpa Sep 2013 #44

people need to understand that uncrackable encryption still exists... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #48

Could not agree more, my friend! PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #47

There's this thing called Linux... ;) devils chaplain Sep 2013 #50

And who wrote the compiler? You have its source, too? MineralMan Sep 2013 #59

I think you're mixing up hardware based encryption with open source software. PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #62

The compiler was written by Richard Stallman. Here's the source. DanTex Sep 2013 #72

As a newbie, I would have said you were nutz. Clown is Down Sep 2013 #51

Always remember if it can be encrpted, then the encryption can be decrypted. It is all a game, Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #54

Yes, but can the data be decrypted in a reasonable amount of time? PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #63

can you work faster than high powered computer, why yes, the smart ones at NSA, etc Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #68

There is only so much electricity and computing power available, right now. PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #69

Time will tell, I will bet on the code being broken. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #86

It's a matter of physical laws, not NSA black magic... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #84

Hey, you never know PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #87

If the encryption is from their files it will probably be broken in short time, remember they Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #88

Do you understanding the premise of the brute force attack? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #89

Regarding what subject, brute force attack applies to many things. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #90

Uhhh...we are talking about encryption so assume the brute force attack is on that subject. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #92

Brute force was before the computers, like brute force required to build the pyrmaids so there is a Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #96

Okay, so your statements lead me to believe you do not understand a brute force attack. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #98

If they had a file in which they already know what the file contains and it is encrpyted then the Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #99

How would they have the encryption key for files they did not themselves generate? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #100

They would probably get it by spying and stealing information, that works pretty well. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #101

If the keys are encrypted themselves then that becomes a useless endeavor. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #103

Never say never, just watch. Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #104

Your argument is essentially ludicrous. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #105

omg someone was right on the Internet Enrique Sep 2013 #56

If a middle level grunt has something an unethical billionaire wants, it will be sold, GoneFishin Sep 2013 #57

Good luck with that Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #60

Interesting article... bobGandolf Sep 2013 #66

What's the NSA? Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #74

^^^ +1000 alittlelark Sep 2013 #102

yeah...I remember that...and I'm not a techie. But, your posts were always KoKo Sep 2013 #95

K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #108