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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
62. Nah, they would not let anybody who does not play nice with the power structure
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:45 PM
Sep 2013

anywhere near the cabinet.

We have an oligarchy, they (regardless of party) do not work for the proles. They let us vote to keep the illusion.

You asked, I gave you an answer. And all that is NON military. I also do not expect anybody in levers of power to do that. It would get in the way of profits for the usual suspects.

Another president warned us about this on his way out. You should read it.

Here

Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation

January 17, 1961

Good evening, my fellow Americans: First, I should like to express my gratitude to the radio and television networks for the opportunity they have given me over the years to bring reports and messages to our nation. My special thanks go to them for the opportunity of addressing you this evening.
Three days from now, after a half century of service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on questions of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the nation.

My own relations with Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and finally to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the nation well rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the nation should go forward. So my official relationship with Congress ends in a feeling on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

Throughout America's adventure in free government, such basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among peoples and among nations.

To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people.

Any failure traceable to arrogance or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us a grievous hurt, both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger it poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle – with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in the newer elements of our defenses; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research – these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

But each proposal must be weighed in light of a broader consideration; the need to maintain balance in and among national programs – balance between the private and the public economy, balance between the cost and hoped for advantages – balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between the actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their Government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well in the face of threat and stress.

But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise.

Of these, I mention two only.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system – ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without asking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war – as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years – I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

So – in this my last good night to you as your President – I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I – my fellow citizens – need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nations' great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

Now, on Friday noon, I am to become a private citizen. I am proud to do so. I look forward to it.

Thank you, and good night.

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Give Obama a Fucking Break [View all] Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 OP
Quick !!! Duck !!! Get down now !!! jessie04 Sep 2013 #1
very classy Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #3
I was joking. jessie04 Sep 2013 #8
we need to stick together ! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #52
is your post serious? He is president with advisors out the wazoo. if he roguevalley Sep 2013 #94
Anybody Aerows Sep 2013 #142
i can't agree more roguevalley Sep 2013 #148
Try the sarcasm thing once in awhile Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #76
"Constructive, non-military ideas" don't exist in an empire of war Corruption Inc Sep 2013 #2
well, that really added to the discussion Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #4
it actually DID if you would really read it Skittles Sep 2013 #57
We lost Superman's cape Generic Other Sep 2013 #74
I read it (twice)....they are pretty much saying - no way, right? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #80
you really do need a drink Skittles Sep 2013 #86
Fuck, I need a drink Aerows Sep 2013 #112
Sanctions, Blockades, Bin Laden HIS ass, Smoke don't Drink !! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #180
I said this earlier - this should be it's own post. tecelote Sep 2013 #186
Take four minutes to watch this vid & you'll understand what the poster meant. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #212
Hopefully there can be some progress during the Summit and I agree with giving Obama a break Thinkingabout Sep 2013 #5
The summit has concluded and there was no progress. I will give him a break when he calls off totodeinhere Sep 2013 #77
Revenge bombing from the heart whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #6
And nothing says we don't give a shit.. jessie04 Sep 2013 #15
Yes we give a shit but this is a problem for the international community to solve, not us totodeinhere Sep 2013 #79
So why was the US govt totally okay with Saddam using chemical weapons against his own people and kath Sep 2013 #89
We and the rest of the UN countries should have acted then. It was wrong not to. phleshdef Sep 2013 #108
You're seriously blaming the UN for not acting??? polly7 Sep 2013 #117
Any time a sanctimonious Republican prick opens his or her HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #199
Where did Saddam Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2013 #210
Would cluster bombs meet with your approval? GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #174
Apparently White Phosphorus and thermite are acceptable also warrant46 Sep 2013 #183
Well Naplam was just made illegal" to use on civilians by Barack Obama...However its still legal to Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #221
1,400 people died from the chemical attack. tecelote Sep 2013 #178
Did they? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #185
You can't give a bully a dozen roses and say play nice ..... MindMover Sep 2013 #71
Israel is welcome to take action Aerows Sep 2013 #116
Petition to end Geneva Conventions since you believe US shouldn't blm Sep 2013 #192
non-military? no idea. now who should be dealing with this? Arab League. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #7
And the last thing we need christx30 Sep 2013 #95
Well shit some people here say they already Iliyah Sep 2013 #144
Then I don't understand the rush christx30 Sep 2013 #175
How about the US fess up to our imperialism PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #9
I like that Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #22
I'd like a full head of hair, Woe !!!! excuse me, pigs are flying past... orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #182
+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #200
+ Infinity X Infinity! nt marew Sep 2013 #213
Oh good god ... polly7 Sep 2013 #10
Good analogy. eom Blanks Sep 2013 #21
Good Analogy? What? Makes not sense at all, to me Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #24
Exactly. It doesn't make sense. Blanks Sep 2013 #31
+1. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #36
Exactly, Polly. n/t Aerows Sep 2013 #120
Ty, Aerows. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #122
I don't get why Aerows Sep 2013 #125
I know, it makes no sense to me at all either. polly7 Sep 2013 #131
Makes as much fucking sense as dropping bombs that are guaranteed polly7 Sep 2013 #34
Why? Did people get all combative and ignore the question being asked in the Twilight Zone? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #51
Weddings are Especially Good Targets to Kill Entire Families HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #107
It's ridiculous Aerows Sep 2013 #127
Not a shock! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #113
I don't think it's a good analogy, either. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #149
...and bombing them is the only way to get them to stop? eom Blanks Sep 2013 #194
Is that supposed to be a reference to the Branch Davidians of Waco? JVS Sep 2013 #157
No. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #191
Strange coincidence. JVS Sep 2013 #197
I guess, as I never once considered WACO. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #198
Just because I have no idea what we should do in Syria does not mean we should bomb them. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #11
Good points, for sure. but, surely the best minds, in unity against Assad's atrocities can Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #28
That assumes there is something to come up with... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #48
Unity against his atrocities is a good idea. progressoid Sep 2013 #81
Oh my word Aerows Sep 2013 #128
See, you lose me, and probably a lot of other people when you talk about Al-Assad's atrocities AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #138
You know why JFK was so well regarded? Nevernose Sep 2013 #84
JFK and RFK almost alone against the war pigs! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #202
I agree with giving Obama a break! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2013 #12
I think Obama is really concerned about leaders using gas against their own people. lumpy Sep 2013 #13
true dat Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #29
Which is why he is Bombing Saudi Arabia next Week, right? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #109
Read my sigline GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #176
Yeah, I'm sure he's super torn up about 1% or less of the casualties of this war. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #141
So far, he's doing OK. kentuck Sep 2013 #14
"He wants to stop atrocity " - what, with a time machine? Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #16
Well, I hope you are not right about the motives. I do agree if we bomb them it opens up a Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #32
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #143
another motive questionseverything Sep 2013 #207
Sorry, it's absolutely necessary to see such things as lying, a "sell out", caving to the MIC... Silent3 Sep 2013 #17
... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #56
Since you asked... nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #18
Wow. That is a great post. Thank you! Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #19
I am hoping you are truly in the cabinet and are just so brilliant that you can multi-task nt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #35
Nah, they would not let anybody who does not play nice with the power structure nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #62
You asked for non military suggestions and then senseandsensibility Sep 2013 #205
The surprising thing is that these suggestions are relatively unrecognized as an alternative to bomb dkf Sep 2013 #83
I fear it is because people are suffering from beaten wife syndrome nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #91
.. Itself a Form of Conditioned Helplessness, Which Leads to the Milgram Experiment Results HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #119
Yup...I was wondering if this was the electricity shock experiment and it is. dkf Sep 2013 #126
Absolutely, we are a herd animal nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #132
Yes and No - Humans have Very Diverse Possible Mental-States HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #147
You're right... grillo7 Sep 2013 #106
Indeed Aerows Sep 2013 #136
You just hit it out of the park, my friend Aerows Sep 2013 #114
+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #203
Is that what you said about Bush? Coyotl Sep 2013 #20
Hell no - Like night and day. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #38
Thanks for your post, Laura. PBO is speaking from Cha Sep 2013 #23
Don't waste your time. This place is way, way past DevonRex Sep 2013 #25
We never loved him. Voting for him twice was just a ruse to bring him down. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #37
You never hated him. And you should be above that. DevonRex Sep 2013 #55
This is a great post. Thank you... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #63
If ANY president acted after an AUMF was publically requested and rejected Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #65
Thanks for that. Just Saying Sep 2013 #96
heh. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #66
This has nothing to do with the pics and videos of the kids who were gassed NightWatcher Sep 2013 #26
Wow....just...wow. jessie04 Sep 2013 #30
if we are claiming to give a shit about kids or humanitarian disasters NightWatcher Sep 2013 #46
This one did happen nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #98
There is some pragmatic straight talk Aerows Sep 2013 #134
We'd only be killing terrorists disguised as children, not ACTUAL CHILDREN! Why HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #206
k&r... spanone Sep 2013 #27
We should flood the area around Syria with aid, not bombs. Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #33
Yup, that will stop Assad from using chemical weapons. jessie04 Sep 2013 #41
So what's your plan? Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #47
A lot less than letting Assad run rampant with chemical weapons. jessie04 Sep 2013 #54
And how many people would that be? Mr.Bill Sep 2013 #70
I am hoping that when the congress votes this down that Obama will stand up Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #43
Then work through the U.N. and... SHRED Sep 2013 #39
+1000 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #45
There's a problem with that idea... Tx4obama Sep 2013 #92
I suggest swiping Assad's $1.5 billion fortune, sending the money to help the refugees Dems to Win Sep 2013 #40
i agree MFM008 Sep 2013 #42
There is so much atrocity in this country bigwillq Sep 2013 #44
Keep pressure on UN Sec. Council + Take Assad to The Hague + Humanitarian Relief 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #49
Constructive ideas? Here are two eridani Sep 2013 #50
Excellent Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #59
THAT is an excellent idea. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #82
I Agree, but TPTB Do Not. HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #130
Contructive solutions take time and effort and empathy over ego. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #53
what about MFM008 Sep 2013 #60
Have You Seen the Libyans / Yeminis / Pakistanis / ... Bombed To Death on YouTube? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #133
And have you seen pecwae Sep 2013 #170
It is hard for me to wrap my head around putting "wreckless language" up against Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #68
Amen. IsItJustMe Sep 2013 #58
Romney Isn't President - No More "Good Cop Bad Cop" Psychology Tricks HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #135
Okay deal. Rex Sep 2013 #61
I am against any bombing of Syria Aerows Sep 2013 #140
Here's a thought: Let the U.N. decide, for once... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #64
That means you're leaving it up to Russia and China. And they back Assad. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #87
......... polly7 Sep 2013 #90
The moderate rebels need the ability to house POWs.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #100
That article is already dated..... SunSeeker Sep 2013 #102
Assad was Winning the Civil War - "Untouchable" Unless Gas Was Used - and, Surprise, Gas Appears HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #139
Agree completely, nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #146
That was before chemical weapons were used. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #93
Russia and China don't appear moved by the fact that chemical weapons were used. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #99
They will with enough pressure. Not to mention the Saudis and Iran.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #101
I wish you were right. Russia and China don't give a shit. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #103
Oh,...okay,..so we should bomb everyone. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #104
No, nor is that what Obama is saying. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #150
He has fallen into the DC trap of having to back up his "Red Line" comment.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #154
He said the red line was set by the world, and he is right. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #159
You must be new to the DC nonsense. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #161
I see you have nothing of substance to add. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #164
Tell you what,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #167
Is Saudi Arabia 'bending' on Murdering LGBTs? HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #145
And? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #152
Under the UN Security Council veto rules, one nation gets to call the shots... SunSeeker Sep 2013 #156
Oh yes, I'm "good with that" Scootaloo Sep 2013 #162
Got it. Dead is dead. Look forward not back. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #163
I don't think killing more Syrians is the answer Scootaloo Sep 2013 #166
Obama wants to take out the chemical weapons artillery, not target civilians. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #168
What Obama wants and what will happen are not necessarily synonymous Scootaloo Sep 2013 #169
The Security Council Consensus Rule Prevents WWIII - Nothing More HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #155
well here is my idea for what it is worth. zeemike Sep 2013 #67
I have really never heard of a good enough reason to not do what you say. It is absolutely Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #73
Use the billions we spend on keeping them over there zeemike Sep 2013 #85
Bullshit. It's a continuation of the Bush/neocon strategy of perpetual war, as noted by PNAC, et al. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #69
Rec AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #160
K&R JohnnyRingo Sep 2013 #72
We all want to stop atrocities. But that doesn't mean bombing the hell out of country totodeinhere Sep 2013 #75
Saw a lady on tv tonight giving McCain hell tiredtoo Sep 2013 #78
If Obama wanted a fucking break maybe he shouldn't have run for fucking president. GOTV Sep 2013 #88
Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2013 #129
it's the rebels using the gas, ya'know... MisterP Sep 2013 #97
I'd love to give him a break, but eissa Sep 2013 #105
Drop some Aerows Sep 2013 #110
Brilliant ! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #171
Sorry, no. Obama does not get a fucking break when he is about to kill in our name. morningfog Sep 2013 #111
We arm the world. mick063 Sep 2013 #115
non military options exist martigras Sep 2013 #118
I'm feeling for him, but he has a way out by dropping the military options and Cleita Sep 2013 #121
Freezing the assets of the Syrian leadership would be a big hit bhikkhu Sep 2013 #123
I think Russia might unblock if Putin gets offered something he wants in Cleita Sep 2013 #188
Gladly. Arm or leg? SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #124
There are two very simple, very useful options. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #137
I do not support war. How hard is that? Scootaloo Sep 2013 #151
That is just crazy talk. You are really suggesting that any of us who hate war just as much Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #215
Well, that's exactly what I was seeing! Scootaloo Sep 2013 #220
People don't agree with your idol. Live with it. Or not. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #153
Give ME a fucking break! cui bono Sep 2013 #158
as in medicine - above all do no harm - in this case exacerbating a very complicated ethic/religious Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #165
Why? Seriously, why? Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #172
that is so sad. To be that disenchanted that it doesn't sound like anything would Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #214
What's sad is adults believing that fantasy and wishful thinking are valid substitutes for reality. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #216
It's funny.. I think the exact opposite..I see fantasy as people who think everything is Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2013 #218
Some constructive, non-military ideas... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #173
More people have killed themselves over the American economic debacle.. sendero Sep 2013 #177
Sorry, but DU has turned into a lot of 1 issue voters. B Calm Sep 2013 #179
ONE HUGE ISSUE Carolina Sep 2013 #189
If there was ever a single issue to vote on, perpetual war would be a good one to start with. mick063 Sep 2013 #201
It's not about Obama. It's about escalating an armed conflict... devils chaplain Sep 2013 #181
I have a serious riversedge Sep 2013 #184
I will NOT Carolina Sep 2013 #187
People who need ... 99Forever Sep 2013 #190
No. n/t leeroysphitz Sep 2013 #193
For some people, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT OBAMA. LWolf Sep 2013 #195
+1. The cult of personality is a dangerous thing. n/t devils chaplain Sep 2013 #196
Seriously. If the sun failed to come up tomorrow, QC Sep 2013 #208
This message was self-deleted by its author malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #209
Forget it. DU has become a full-blown anti-Obama hate site. baldguy Sep 2013 #204
No President Deserves a Break When it comes to war. malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #211
thank you Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #217
Jesus! PLAIN ENGLISH. sibelian Sep 2013 #219
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